Discussion:
Rural, why it is perfect.
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William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
2007-06-17 01:44:08 UTC
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So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
Pat
2007-06-17 03:12:44 UTC
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On Jun 16, 9:44 pm, William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
Ya just can't explain it.

I like looking up and seeing hills and trees. I like having air that
isn't "flavored". I like having some neighbors around but not being
in a city. I like having a mayor who has a published telephone number
and everyone knows his cell phone number (but no one calls it much
'cause you don't want to bother him at work). I like going to city
hall and knowing everyone there. I like it that the mayor is "Jeff".
I like know where the school principal lives, in case I need to go see
him. I like seeing the same families at soccer and football and
lacrosse.

I like knowing that if you set something down it won't be stolen
(probably). True story: I had a license plate fall off my trailer.
The cops out on patrol found it, "ran the plate", found the address,
and dropped it off at the house.

I like knowing that I have guns in the house -- and that guns are for
hunting or target practice. I like knowing I have a "carry concealed"
permit for a handgun but that I have no place I want to carry it
concealed.

I like it that the high school/middle school concert can be the
biggest event of the week.

I kid in school was causing some problems. I went down to his house
and let his father know and asked his father to take care of it.
Problem solved. No school intervention. No "disipline report". I
like knowing that you can do that, and if my kid was causing problems
I hope that he would do the same.

I like watching the seasons. I like my small garden. I like my
neighbors having fires in their backyards all summer long. I like
taking my dog off of the leash once we get past the busy road during
our walk.

I like kids riding bikes and walking places. I like knowing that they
aren't going to get in the middle of a gang war.

I like the fact that Steven Stills is at the casino tonight. The
casino is across town -- maybe 4 miles. I like faintly hearing the
music and knowing things are so quiet that you notice the concert.

I like looking overhead last night and seeing the Big Dipper. Wow, it
was bright.

I like that our newspaper usually doesn't have anything in it worth
reading.
William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
2007-06-17 03:46:39 UTC
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Post by Pat
On Jun 16, 9:44 pm, William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
Ya just can't explain it.
I like looking up and seeing hills and trees. I like having air that
isn't "flavored". I like having some neighbors around but not being
in a city. I like having a mayor who has a published telephone number
and everyone knows his cell phone number (but no one calls it much
'cause you don't want to bother him at work). I like going to city
hall and knowing everyone there. I like it that the mayor is "Jeff".
I like know where the school principal lives, in case I need to go see
him. I like seeing the same families at soccer and football and
lacrosse.
I like knowing that if you set something down it won't be stolen
(probably). True story: I had a license plate fall off my trailer.
The cops out on patrol found it, "ran the plate", found the address,
and dropped it off at the house.
I like knowing that I have guns in the house -- and that guns are for
hunting or target practice. I like knowing I have a "carry concealed"
permit for a handgun but that I have no place I want to carry it
concealed.
I like it that the high school/middle school concert can be the
biggest event of the week.
I kid in school was causing some problems. I went down to his house
and let his father know and asked his father to take care of it.
Problem solved. No school intervention. No "disipline report". I
like knowing that you can do that, and if my kid was causing problems
I hope that he would do the same.
I like watching the seasons. I like my small garden. I like my
neighbors having fires in their backyards all summer long. I like
taking my dog off of the leash once we get past the busy road during
our walk.
I like kids riding bikes and walking places. I like knowing that they
aren't going to get in the middle of a gang war.
I like the fact that Steven Stills is at the casino tonight. The
casino is across town -- maybe 4 miles.
I like looking overhead last night and seeing the Big Dipper. Wow, it
was bright.
I like that our newspaper usually doesn't have anything in it worth
reading.
Sounds like a good life. I kind of like the city for a few of the same
reasons, just a little different. Opposite some could say. Like when
you said "I like faintly hearing the
Post by Pat
music and knowing things are so quiet that you notice the concert." Well I like hearing someone play the
Saxaphone across the street, I also like hearing the cars roll by even
if its not the most soothing sound in the world, it makes me feel like
Im a part of something big. And this past Christmas season when I
looked out my mom's bosses downtown condo from the deck I honestly
said to myself "I love life". The city is so peaceful from the hight
yet I love hearing the faint noise of cars rush by while getting the
cold Minnesotan winter wind in my face. I know for most people rolling
hills, golden valleys and praries is the ideal view for them, but to
me seeing the city at night is like for Pat to look up and see the
brightest Big Dipper he has ever witnessed while hanging with his
small town he loves so much.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-17 16:18:10 UTC
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"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by Pat
On Jun 16, 9:44 pm, William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
Ya just can't explain it.
I like looking up and seeing hills and trees. I like having air that
isn't "flavored". I like having some neighbors around but not being
in a city. I like having a mayor who has a published telephone number
and everyone knows his cell phone number (but no one calls it much
'cause you don't want to bother him at work). I like going to city
hall and knowing everyone there. I like it that the mayor is "Jeff".
I like know where the school principal lives, in case I need to go see
him. I like seeing the same families at soccer and football and
lacrosse.
I like knowing that if you set something down it won't be stolen
(probably). True story: I had a license plate fall off my trailer.
The cops out on patrol found it, "ran the plate", found the address,
and dropped it off at the house.
I like knowing that I have guns in the house -- and that guns are for
hunting or target practice. I like knowing I have a "carry concealed"
permit for a handgun but that I have no place I want to carry it
concealed.
I like it that the high school/middle school concert can be the
biggest event of the week.
I kid in school was causing some problems. I went down to his house
and let his father know and asked his father to take care of it.
Problem solved. No school intervention. No "disipline report". I
like knowing that you can do that, and if my kid was causing problems
I hope that he would do the same.
I like watching the seasons. I like my small garden. I like my
neighbors having fires in their backyards all summer long. I like
taking my dog off of the leash once we get past the busy road during
our walk.
I like kids riding bikes and walking places. I like knowing that they
aren't going to get in the middle of a gang war.
I like the fact that Steven Stills is at the casino tonight. The
casino is across town -- maybe 4 miles.
I like looking overhead last night and seeing the Big Dipper. Wow, it
was bright.
I like that our newspaper usually doesn't have anything in it worth
reading.
Sounds like a good life. I kind of like the city for a few of the same
reasons, just a little different. Opposite some could say. Like when
you said "I like faintly hearing the
Post by Pat
music and knowing things are so quiet that you notice the concert." Well
I like hearing someone play the
Saxaphone across the street, I also like hearing the cars roll by even
if its not the most soothing sound in the world, it makes me feel like
Im a part of something big. And this past Christmas season when I
looked out my mom's bosses downtown condo from the deck I honestly
said to myself "I love life". The city is so peaceful from the hight
yet I love hearing the faint noise of cars rush by while getting the
cold Minnesotan winter wind in my face. I know for most people rolling
hills, golden valleys and praries is the ideal view for them, but to
me seeing the city at night is like for Pat to look up and see the
brightest Big Dipper he has ever witnessed while hanging with his
small town he loves so much.
I would suggest that before you form an opinion of what rural life is and
isn't, that you spend enough time in the country that you've planted a
tomato seed with your own hands and eaten the tomatoes from that plant.
William
2007-06-17 16:41:58 UTC
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On Jun 17, 11:18 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by Pat
On Jun 16, 9:44 pm, William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
Ya just can't explain it.
I like looking up and seeing hills and trees. I like having air that
isn't "flavored". I like having some neighbors around but not being
in a city. I like having a mayor who has a published telephone number
and everyone knows his cell phone number (but no one calls it much
'cause you don't want to bother him at work). I like going to city
hall and knowing everyone there. I like it that the mayor is "Jeff".
I like know where the school principal lives, in case I need to go see
him. I like seeing the same families at soccer and football and
lacrosse.
I like knowing that if you set something down it won't be stolen
(probably). True story: I had a license plate fall off my trailer.
The cops out on patrol found it, "ran the plate", found the address,
and dropped it off at the house.
I like knowing that I have guns in the house -- and that guns are for
hunting or target practice. I like knowing I have a "carry concealed"
permit for a handgun but that I have no place I want to carry it
concealed.
I like it that the high school/middle school concert can be the
biggest event of the week.
I kid in school was causing some problems. I went down to his house
and let his father know and asked his father to take care of it.
Problem solved. No school intervention. No "disipline report". I
like knowing that you can do that, and if my kid was causing problems
I hope that he would do the same.
I like watching the seasons. I like my small garden. I like my
neighbors having fires in their backyards all summer long. I like
taking my dog off of the leash once we get past the busy road during
our walk.
I like kids riding bikes and walking places. I like knowing that they
aren't going to get in the middle of a gang war.
I like the fact that Steven Stills is at the casino tonight. The
casino is across town -- maybe 4 miles.
I like looking overhead last night and seeing the Big Dipper. Wow, it
was bright.
I like that our newspaper usually doesn't have anything in it worth
reading.
Sounds like a good life. I kind of like the city for a few of the same
reasons, just a little different. Opposite some could say. Like when
you said "I like faintly hearing the
Post by Pat
music and knowing things are so quiet that you notice the concert." Well
I like hearing someone play the
Saxaphone across the street, I also like hearing the cars roll by even
if its not the most soothing sound in the world, it makes me feel like
Im a part of something big. And this past Christmas season when I
looked out my mom's bosses downtown condo from the deck I honestly
said to myself "I love life". The city is so peaceful from the hight
yet I love hearing the faint noise of cars rush by while getting the
cold Minnesotan winter wind in my face. I know for most people rolling
hills, golden valleys and praries is the ideal view for them, but to
me seeing the city at night is like for Pat to look up and see the
brightest Big Dipper he has ever witnessed while hanging with his
small town he loves so much.
I would suggest that before you form an opinion of what rural life is and
isn't, that you spend enough time in the country that you've planted a
tomato seed with your own hands and eaten the tomatoes from that plant.
Sounds reasonable but I think I have a general Idea of it. Correct me
if I'm wrong but is it
sort of like having one big family? I'm sure you
were speaking metaphorically but we grow tomatos every summer.
George Conklin
2007-06-18 00:27:03 UTC
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"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
William
2007-06-18 03:32:24 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-18 14:04:43 UTC
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Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
William
2007-06-18 14:32:55 UTC
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On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
George Conklin
2007-06-18 20:52:21 UTC
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Post by William
On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
He wants to shop until he drops? Amazing.
Pat
2007-06-19 01:09:08 UTC
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Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by William
On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so
much
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't
be
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure
opinion. I
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in
the
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded
on
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
He wants to shop until he drops? Amazing.
No, George. Amazing would be you getting me the example that I have
been asking for.
William
2007-06-24 02:41:22 UTC
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Post by Pat
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by William
On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so
much
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't
be
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure
opinion. I
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in
the
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad
companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded
on
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
He wants to shop until he drops? Amazing.
No, George. Amazing would be you getting me the example that I have
been asking for.
Haha, classic Pat
george conklin
2007-06-24 12:02:11 UTC
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Post by William
Post by Pat
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by William
On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
On Jun 17, 7:27 pm, "George Conklin"
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so
much
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't
be
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure
opinion. I
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in
the
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad
companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded
on
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
He wants to shop until he drops? Amazing.
No, George. Amazing would be you getting me the example that I have
been asking for.
Haha, classic Pat
Classic case of not knowing what a correlation is. Pure ignorance.
Pat
2007-06-24 15:29:48 UTC
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Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by Pat
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by William
On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
On Jun 17, 7:27 pm, "George Conklin"
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not
so
much
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really
can't
be
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure
opinion. I
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I
hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being
out in
the
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my
opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad
companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded
on
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
He wants to shop until he drops? Amazing.
No, George. Amazing would be you getting me the example that I have
been asking for.
Haha, classic Pat
Classic case of not knowing what a correlation is. Pure ignorance.
Classic lying college professor who, when their bluff is called,
cannot produce what he said he has.

Interestingly, George, you may have a lot of education, but that 15-
year-old kid is smarter than you are. That's got to bruise your ego.
george conklin
2007-06-24 19:58:39 UTC
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Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by Pat
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by William
On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
On Jun 17, 7:27 pm, "George Conklin"
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities,
not
so
much
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really
can't
be
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure
opinion. I
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
know that I would never want to live in the country, for
one I
hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being
out in
the
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my
opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad
companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less
open-minded
on
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
He wants to shop until he drops? Amazing.
No, George. Amazing would be you getting me the example that I have
been asking for.
Haha, classic Pat
Classic case of not knowing what a correlation is. Pure ignorance.
Classic lying college professor who, when their bluff is called,
cannot produce what he said he has.
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
Pat
2007-06-25 02:41:33 UTC
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Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by Pat
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
Post by William
On Jun 18, 9:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
On Jun 17, 7:27 pm, "George Conklin"
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities,
not
so
much
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat
really
can't
be
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure
opinion. I
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
know that I would never want to live in the country, for
one I
hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being
out in
the
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my
opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the
railroad
companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less
open-minded
on
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
the whole.
I can see that, but I have no experince with rural america. Pat
what do you think?
He wants to shop until he drops? Amazing.
No, George. Amazing would be you getting me the example that I have
been asking for.
Haha, classic Pat
Classic case of not knowing what a correlation is. Pure ignorance.
Classic lying college professor who, when their bluff is called,
cannot produce what he said he has.
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
If you're not a lying college professor, then give the example you've
said you have.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-25 13:42:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
If you're not a lying college professor, then give the example you've
said you have.
Pat, you must be a natural for "Papa Smurf" right now after holding your
breath for so long.
Pat
2007-06-25 14:33:36 UTC
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On Jun 25, 9:42 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
If you're not a lying college professor, then give the example you've
said you have.
Pat, you must be a natural for "Papa Smurf" right now after holding your
breath for so long.
I know, but I want to make the point to him that he can stand in front
of his class and say whatever he wants and the shiny-eyed frosh sit
there,marvel and dufully copy what he says into their notes so they
can regergitate them on exams. But in the real world, it just aint
so. All of use are not awed by his degree or professorialship. He's
an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about half the time, but
he's so wrap up in his education that he doesn't even know it.

With all of his "this person says this" and "that book says that", I'm
still waiting for an original thought from him.

I think William knows more than George. Okay, maybe not, but at least
William can make a good arguement for his side.
george conklin
2007-06-25 20:27:59 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
If you're not a lying college professor, then give the example you've
said you have.
Pat, you must be a natural for "Papa Smurf" right now after holding your
breath for so long.
Pat wants horse stories so he can then say they are not typical.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-25 20:59:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
If you're not a lying college professor, then give the example you've
said you have.
Pat, you must be a natural for "Papa Smurf" right now after holding your
breath for so long.
Pat wants horse stories so he can then say they are not typical.
And we all know the very thought of a horse makes you pale.
William
2007-06-26 00:52:11 UTC
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Post by george conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
If you're not a lying college professor, then give the example you've
said you have.
Pat, you must be a natural for "Papa Smurf" right now after holding your
breath for so long.
Pat wants horse stories so he can then say they are not typical.
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying but George honestly
seems like a robot to me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
george conklin
2007-06-26 01:02:46 UTC
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Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
You once again just prove your ignorance. Pitiful.
If you're not a lying college professor, then give the example you've
said you have.
Pat, you must be a natural for "Papa Smurf" right now after holding your
breath for so long.
Pat wants horse stories so he can then say they are not typical.
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying but George honestly
seems like a robot to me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very little but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
William
2007-06-26 01:57:46 UTC
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Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very little but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so. Is it that hard to say "Pat, you
got me, I can't think or find an example that would prove my statement
true"? But instead of reading the question like a normal human being,
you analyze it and look for flaws in it and attack those instead of
the question itself. Or like after you read this you will analyze it
and then say something like how I'm just a teenager who is filled
with ignorance
and how I need to read more scholarly books.

"You think being ignorant makes you feel human."

No, I think making mistakes makes me feel human. You can learn from
mistakes George, learning from them is much better then ignoring them
and pretending they don't exist.
Pat
2007-06-26 02:54:43 UTC
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Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very little but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so. Is it that hard to say "Pat, you
got me, I can't think or find an example that would prove my statement
true"? But instead of reading the question like a normal human being,
you analyze it and look for flaws in it and attack those instead of
the question itself. Or like after you read this you will analyze it
and then say something like how I'm just a teenager who is filled
with ignorance
and how I need to read more scholarly books.
"You think being ignorant makes you feel human."
No, I think making mistakes makes me feel human. You can learn from
mistakes George, learning from them is much better then ignoring them
and pretending they don't exist.
You know, you still have some things to learn -- like looking at the
world from a perspective other than your own -- but considering your
age you have a pretty good grasp on things and are quite articulate.
You do a pretty good job making your arguements and backing them up.
Gawd, I hope you don't sell out and become a politican or goverment-
type or college professor or worse (like, maybe a planner <gag, gag>).

As for George, don't worry about him. They gave him a Ph.D. and
therefore he thinks he knows something. But all he knows is the few
things he's read in books, but that's typical of academic-types. He's
comfortable as some third-tier, red brick college and publishing in
Journals that no one has ever heard about.-- even editing some obscure
journal in the vain attempt to get his name out there in some
circles.

Given the choice, you're in a much better position. Ahh, to be young,
articulate and smart (I don't think it's politically correct to say
"free, white and 21" any more). As Bob Seger said, "I wish I didn't
know now what I didn't know then".
george conklin
2007-06-26 11:12:07 UTC
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Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very little but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
William
2007-06-26 17:25:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very little but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Those things are fine, but seeing things in a real world context is
much more convincing.
Coming from a student, it's much more interesting and easier to learn
from hearing a real world example rather then some facts,data and
references out of a book. But only ignorant people learn from the real
world right?
george conklin
2007-06-26 17:41:33 UTC
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Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very little but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Not you, even with references. You just have emotions, as in "the rural
is perfect." Ha Ha Ha.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-26 18:24:50 UTC
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"george conklin" <***@nxu.edu> wrote in message news:hdcgi.1309$***@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
...
Post by george conklin
Post by William
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Not you, even with references. You just have emotions, as in "the rural
is perfect." Ha Ha Ha.
VERY adult of you, George.
Pat
2007-06-26 19:58:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very little but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Those things are fine, but seeing things in a real world context is
much more convincing.
Coming from a student, it's much more interesting and easier to learn
from hearing a real world example rather then some facts,data and
references out of a book. But only ignorant people learn from the real
world right?
Remember that 84.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
george conklin
2007-06-26 20:58:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very
little
but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Those things are fine, but seeing things in a real world context is
much more convincing.
Coming from a student, it's much more interesting and easier to learn
from hearing a real world example rather then some facts,data and
references out of a book. But only ignorant people learn from the real
world right?
Remember that 84.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Your lies exceed your lies. No % needed.
Pat
2007-06-26 21:07:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very
little
but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Those things are fine, but seeing things in a real world context is
much more convincing.
Coming from a student, it's much more interesting and easier to learn
from hearing a real world example rather then some facts,data and
references out of a book. But only ignorant people learn from the real
world right?
Remember that 84.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Your lies exceed your lies. No % needed.
George, in all seriousness. Are you okay? It's always fun to banter
with you but lately it seems like some of your posts are somewhat
incoherent. Is everything okay?

Pat.
William
2007-06-27 02:15:06 UTC
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Post by Pat
George, in all seriousness. Are you okay? It's always fun to banter
with you but lately it seems like some of your posts are somewhat
incoherent. Is everything okay?
Pat.
Only incoherent to the ignorant eye. I suggest you read Barney's
adventures.
It has a lot of statistics that show how George's posts and
Barney's "Learn to share" rules are very similar.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-27 03:06:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and
Amy
I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying
butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very
little
but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Those things are fine, but seeing things in a real world context is
much more convincing.
Coming from a student, it's much more interesting and easier to learn
from hearing a real world example rather then some facts,data and
references out of a book. But only ignorant people learn from the real
world right?
Remember that 84.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Your lies exceed your lies. No % needed.
George, in all seriousness. Are you okay? It's always fun to banter
with you but lately it seems like some of your posts are somewhat
incoherent. Is everything okay?
He gets that way sometimes, especially when he knows he has nothing valuable
to add.
William
2007-06-27 01:52:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
Post by george conklin
Post by William
I don't want to sound insensitive, but when I picture Pat and Amy I
see human beings, but for some reason I'm not sure why maybe its
because I can't make sense of what he's saying butGeorgehonestly
seems like arobotto me. Not trying to insult you or anything thats
just what my mind does for some reason. Its more subconscious then
anything.....
You are on confused teenager. You obviously have read very
little
but
pride yourself on that and you admire that in others. You think being
ignorant makes you feel human.
I may not know much, but when someone asks me to prove something I
said, I at leasts attempt to due so.
Proof is never more of your personal opinions. You need census data,
studies and references.
So before they had studies and kept references there was no way to
convince anyone?
Those things are fine, but seeing things in a real world context is
much more convincing.
Coming from a student, it's much more interesting and easier to learn
from hearing a real world example rather then some facts,data and
references out of a book. But only ignorant people learn from the real
world right?
Remember that 84.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Your lies exceed your lies. No % needed.
Thats true George, but remember 50% of all white male's lies are only
6% true lies. This
leaves a 94% that the lies are fake lies. Thus and therefore most
lies are not really lies at all.
o***@hotmail.com
2007-06-19 00:06:49 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Tell to that to Iowa, which took in more Vietnam boat people than any
other state proportionately, including New York and that paragon of
paragons, California.

c
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-19 00:21:25 UTC
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Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Tell to that to Iowa, which took in more Vietnam boat people than any
other state proportionately, including New York and that paragon of
paragons, California.
I didn't say they're not good people. But if you want to introduce a new
idea to rural people, expect it to take a bit longer. For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum." And you can't
change that in ten minutes. It will probably be ten years before people
understand it, if ever. The fact that it means ensuring that their children
will be able to afford to live near them is irrelevant until they are ready
to hear what is actually being said.
Pat
2007-06-19 01:07:40 UTC
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On Jun 18, 8:21 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Tell to that to Iowa, which took in more Vietnam boat people than any
other state proportionately, including New York and that paragon of
paragons, California.
I didn't say they're not good people. But if you want to introduce a new
idea to rural people, expect it to take a bit longer. For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum." And you can't
change that in ten minutes. It will probably be ten years before people
understand it, if ever. The fact that it means ensuring that their children
will be able to afford to live near them is irrelevant until they are ready
to hear what is actually being said.
From my experience, they also view 'affordable housing" as
"minorities" and that can be a big problem.
RJ
2007-06-21 02:37:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Pat
2007-06-21 13:30:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.

If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-21 13:39:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
Actually we have a friend who does a lot of rentals and he says that Section
8 used to make sure that tenants weren't trashing the place, etc. But now
all of the enforcement is on the landlord.
Pat
2007-06-21 14:01:11 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 21, 9:39 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
Actually we have a friend who does a lot of rentals and he says that Section
8 used to make sure that tenants weren't trashing the place, etc. But now
all of the enforcement is on the landlord.
Yeah, it's really dependent on the administrator. In the past some
where really "housing nazi's" who would terminate people for almost
anything -- but the power of the purse string sure kept people in
line. Enforcement is still very high in some place and lower in
other. But even in the lower-enforced areas, it's still up to the
landlord to oversee what goes on. You can still throw people out for
causing problerms.

The lead requirement is pretty onorous. In many places, so sometimes
it's hard to find an apartments that meets HQS -- esp. in more rural
areas when the homes are older. For example, if there are small kids
in the house, peeling paint is easy way to fail a unit.

If you are interested, here's the "long form" inspection form that
includes the directions:
http://www.hudclips.org/sub_nonhud/html/pdfforms/52580-a.pdf
Most people do the "short form" after they've read the directions a
few hundred times.
George Conklin
2007-06-21 17:56:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
In NC, one-third of new housing is what we used to call trailers or mobile
homes. They serve the purpose of affordable housing.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-21 19:20:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Conklin
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
In NC, one-third of new housing is what we used to call trailers or mobile
homes. They serve the purpose of affordable housing.
It's not really affordable if it is not livable in 20 years (particularly
since there is no _affordable_ way to dispose of them). It merely _seems_
affordable at the front end.
George Conklin
2007-06-21 20:08:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
In NC, one-third of new housing is what we used to call trailers or mobile
homes. They serve the purpose of affordable housing.
It's not really affordable if it is not livable in 20 years (particularly
since there is no _affordable_ way to dispose of them). It merely _seems_
affordable at the front end.
Does nothing please you?
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-21 20:42:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
In NC, one-third of new housing is what we used to call trailers or
mobile
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
homes. They serve the purpose of affordable housing.
It's not really affordable if it is not livable in 20 years (particularly
since there is no _affordable_ way to dispose of them). It merely _seems_
affordable at the front end.
Does nothing please you?
Many things do, but they are seldom the same things that please you,
apparently.
o***@hotmail.com
2007-06-21 23:13:24 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 21, 3:20 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
In NC, one-third of new housing is what we used to call trailers or mobile
homes. They serve the purpose of affordable housing.
It's not really affordable if it is not livable in 20 years (particularly
since there is no _affordable_ way to dispose of them). It merely _seems_
affordable at the front end.
Huge tracts of trailers and "pre-assembled" homes in New Jersey are
well maintained and perfectly serviceable after more tthan 30 or even
35 years. Many of the units are in far better condition than public
housing projects after two to five years of occupancy.
George Conklin
2007-06-22 12:28:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 21, 3:20 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
In NC, one-third of new housing is what we used to call trailers or mobile
homes. They serve the purpose of affordable housing.
It's not really affordable if it is not livable in 20 years
(particularly
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
since there is no _affordable_ way to dispose of them). It merely _seems_
affordable at the front end.
Huge tracts of trailers and "pre-assembled" homes in New Jersey are
well maintained and perfectly serviceable after more tthan 30 or even
35 years. Many of the units are in far better condition than public
housing projects after two to five years of occupancy.
Yes, and furthermore the inside of many of the trailers are quite pleasing.
I will admit that outside they are not very pretty. However, they are
affordable and that is what people need.
Sancho Panza
2007-06-22 16:54:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Conklin
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 21, 3:20 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Pat
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum."
If the words "Section 8" are part of the conversation, slum is the right
word.
Actually, very many communities find it difficult to find houses that
get up to HQS. Whether Sec 8 units are good or bad are really more
dependent on you Sec 8 administrator AND your building inspector than
it is on the program.
If there's a problem in your community, then the problem is with the
community, not the program.
In NC, one-third of new housing is what we used to call trailers or
mobile
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
homes. They serve the purpose of affordable housing.
It's not really affordable if it is not livable in 20 years
(particularly
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
since there is no _affordable_ way to dispose of them). It merely
_seems_
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
affordable at the front end.
Huge tracts of trailers and "pre-assembled" homes in New Jersey are
well maintained and perfectly serviceable after more tthan 30 or even
35 years. Many of the units are in far better condition than public
housing projects after two to five years of occupancy.
Yes, and furthermore the inside of many of the trailers are quite pleasing.
I will admit that outside they are not very pretty. However, they are
affordable and that is what people need.
It has the whiff of the same syndrome that says buses just aren't good
enough for some people.
Sancho Panza
2007-06-27 05:50:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Tell to that to Iowa, which took in more Vietnam boat people than any
other state proportionately, including New York and that paragon of
paragons, California.
I didn't say they're not good people. But if you want to introduce a new
idea to rural people, expect it to take a bit longer. For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum." And you can't
change that in ten minutes. It will probably be ten years before people
understand it, if ever. The fact that it means ensuring that their
children will be able to afford to live near them is irrelevant until they
are ready to hear what is actually being said.
Double rim shot--for stereotyping a wide swath of regular Americans as
racist and ignorant. That would never happen in the enlightened urban areas,
would it?
William
2007-06-27 17:16:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places ofruralhabaitat really can't
be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place isperfect. People have found the suburbs a good
compromise,
and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing aboutruralareas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Tell to that to Iowa, which took in more Vietnam boat people than any
other state proportionately, including New York and that paragon of
paragons, California.
I didn't say they're not good people. But if you want to introduce a new
idea toruralpeople, expect it to take a bit longer. For instance, if I
say "affordable housing" in my town, people hear "slum." And you can't
change that in ten minutes. It will probably be ten years before people
understand it, if ever. The fact that it means ensuring that their
children will be able to afford to live near them is irrelevant until they
are ready to hear what is actually being said.
Double rim shot--for stereotyping a wide swath of regular Americans as
racist and ignorant. That would never happen in the enlightened urban areas,
would it?
What? Did you read anything about race or ignorance in that paragraph?
Pat
2007-06-19 01:06:07 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Lack of sewer is a concern in some areas, particularly when you
consider that a lot of rural homes are older and therefore their
septics are older.

Shopping isn't a problem. There's always Walmart. Plus I do a lot of
shopping on the internet.

Openmindedness is an issue. But I think that's everywhere, in its own
way.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-19 01:47:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Lack of sewer is a concern in some areas, particularly when you
consider that a lot of rural homes are older and therefore their
septics are older.
Shopping isn't a problem. There's always Walmart. Plus I do a lot of
shopping on the internet.
You've said that you have to travel to it. Therefore, the rural area has
inadequate shopping.
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Openmindedness is an issue. But I think that's everywhere, in its own
way.
Yes, but I think many urban people have been taught a healthy dose of doubt
about the rightness of whatever they happen to think right now. But wait,
George is from New York city, so he says...
Pat
2007-06-19 02:40:56 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 18, 9:47 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Lack of sewer is a concern in some areas, particularly when you
consider that a lot of rural homes are older and therefore their
septics are older.
Shopping isn't a problem. There's always Walmart. Plus I do a lot of
shopping on the internet.
You've said that you have to travel to it. Therefore, the rural area has
inadequate shopping.
Rural distances are definately farther, but when you convert things to
time, it's not so sure things are much farther. When I lived in
cites, it was half and hour or so to the mall. Now it's still about
the same (but 4 times are far) to get to what we have as a mall.
Otherwise, I use Amazon or Ebay.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Openmindedness is an issue. But I think that's everywhere, in its own
way.
Yes, but I think many urban people have been taught a healthy dose of doubt
about the rightness of whatever they happen to think right now. But wait,
George is from New York city, so he says...
I was at a soccer game this weekend. One of the other parents said
she was moving back to Texas. I said that it's a nice state, just too
George Bush for me. She said she saw nothing wrong with Bush like
many people do and thought he was a great President. I wished her
well on her move out of the area.
William
2007-06-19 03:30:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
On Jun 18, 9:47 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by o***@hotmail.com
On Jun 18, 10:04 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by William
Post by Amy Blankenship
"William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
No place is perfect. People have found the suburbs a good compromise, and
there advertised as such as far back as the 1880s by the railroad
companies.
I disagree, name one bad thing about rural areas of america?
Lack of sewer. Inadequate shopping. People tend to be less open-minded on
the whole.
Lack of sewer is a concern in some areas, particularly when you
consider that a lot of rural homes are older and therefore their
septics are older.
Shopping isn't a problem. There's always Walmart. Plus I do a lot of
shopping on the internet.
You've said that you have to travel to it. Therefore, the rural area has
inadequate shopping.
Rural distances are definately farther, but when you convert things to
time, it's not so sure things are much farther. When I lived in
cites, it was half and hour or so to the mall. Now it's still about
the same (but 4 times are far) to get to what we have as a mall.
Otherwise, I use Amazon or Ebay.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by o***@hotmail.com
Openmindedness is an issue. But I think that's everywhere, in its own
way.
Yes, but I think many urban people have been taught a healthy dose of doubt
about the rightness of whatever they happen to think right now. But wait,
George is from New York city, so he says...
I was at a soccer game this weekend. One of the other parents said
she was moving back to Texas. I said that it's a nice state, just too
George Bush for me. She said she saw nothing wrong with Bush like
many people do and thought he was a great President. I wished her
well on her move out of the area.
Nice, well today me and my friend biked to downtwon and check out the
new Gurhtrie theater.
Its really cool it was desinged by a french architect.
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You can see it but it has a nice view of the missipi and of this nice
park near by. Hey um just wondering is there anyone who lives in a
pretty big city here?
rotten
2007-06-20 19:31:32 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 16, 9:44 pm, William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
Is this the kind of grammar and spelling that our inner city school
systems are producing?
William
2007-06-21 13:51:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
On Jun 16, 9:44 pm, William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That
Post by William ----Drawing with chalk on sidewalks That is known as vandalism-George Conklin
So here I can tell there is a defient hate towards Cities, not so much
suburbs but at least I know
Pat minds them some what. But places of rural habaitat really can't be
touched. Anything you might have on them is most likly pure opinion. I
know that I would never want to live in the country, for one I hate
there music, and I just don't like all the quite and being out in the
middle of now where part of it. But thats just purly my opinion.
Your reactions?-
Is this the kind of grammar and spelling that our inner city school
systems are producing?
Actually I go to a private school in the suburbs.
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