Would you like the Govt to promote biking?

[ComandanteBanana]

You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.

It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...

"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."

And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?

Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

"Bicycles should the first line of development, then public
transportation, then alternative vehicles..."

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
(beware of the lion)
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

[Jack May]

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.

His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.

You have been told this but since you are dumber than President Bush, you
still don't understand it.

He and his adviser will also see that the bike is totally worthless
transportation mode for most of the transportation capabilities needed by
the public. Bikes will then be a total failure. The worst thing that
can possibly happen to a politician. They will realize the stupidity of
trying to turn bikes into a major form of transportations.

Since you are considerably dumber than the President, it is obvious you have
no concept of what is required for a major mode of transportation.

[RicodJour]

Post by Jack May
You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.

You don't know what a calorie is.
You don't recognize the equation F=MA.

Post by Jack May
He and his adviser will also see that the bike is totally worthless
transportation mode for most of the transportation capabilities needed by
the public. Bikes will then be a total failure. The worst thing that
can possibly happen to a politician. They will realize the stupidity of
trying to turn bikes into a major form of transportations.

You have never been to Holland.

R

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by RicodJour

Post by Jack May
You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.

You don't know what a calorie is.
You don't recognize the equation F=MA.

Post by Jack May
He and his adviser will also see that the bike is totally worthless
transportation mode for most of the transportation capabilities needed by
the public.   Bikes will then be a total failure.    The worst thing that
can possibly happen to a politician.   They will realize the stupidity of
trying to turn bikes into a major form of transportations.

You have never been to Holland.
R

The Europeans have been trying to send signals to this president, but
he never got the hint.

Like when the Prime Minister of Denmark gave Bush a bike, but he never
made any fuss about it. I hear he's into the bicycling hobby, but not
into the bicycling solution.

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by Jym Dyer

Post by ComandanteBanana
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

=v= If you were President, the U.S. would annoy the U.K. very
much, if you inability to honor rudimentary Usenet courtesy is
any indications. (Followups NOT to uk.rec.cycling.)

Nothing annoys them more than Bush. I hear they even got rid of their
PM, because he was a sort of American lapdog.

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[Amy Blankenship]

Post by Jack May

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.
You have been told this but since you are dumber than President Bush, you
still don't understand it.

You obviously don't believe it either, since you do exercise that is in
excess of what you have to do to minimally accomplish what you need to do in
a day. If you really believed it, you would sit absolutely still when not
required to move, so as not to stress the environment.

[Jym Dyer]

Post by Jack May

Post by ComandanteBanana
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

=v= If you were President, the U.S. would annoy the U.K. very
much, if you inability to honor rudimentary Usenet courtesy is
any indications. (Followups NOT to uk.rec.cycling.)

Post by Jack May
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride
a bike will both increase the consumption of oil to grow more
food and will cause even more problems than already exist in
the world food supply.

=v= I could imagine Bush's adviser saying such a thing. Bush's
advisers frequently say blitheringly idiotic things like that.
Jack May here clearly shows that he's qualifies for a job in the
lame duck Shrub Administration.
<_Jym_>

[A passing PFY]

Post by Jym Dyer

Post by ComandanteBanana
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

=v= If you were President, the U.S. would annoy the U.K. very
much, if you inability to honor rudimentary Usenet courtesy is
any indications.

+1, Jym

If I were El Presidente, the *very* first thing I'd do would be to send the
OP to the camps for re-education.

With a cattle prod.

[Tadej Brezina]

Post by Jack May

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.

Of course, if his/her adviser would be some of your ignorant
car-frenzied breed.
Your claims of cycling being less energy efficient than private
motorized transportation are not getting more true, even if you're
repeating them in a monotonous way. They have been proven to be
deliberately wrong by at least one order of magnitude in this newsgroup
here (a.p.u) at least twice in the recent past.
But I guess it's worthless to argue wit a person according to the one
described in the signature.
Your so called "research" to back up your ridiculous claims ist still
pending to be named by you.

Post by Jack May
You have been told this but since you are dumber than President Bush, you
still don't understand it.

Besides personal insults, you do not provide anything here.

Post by Jack May
He and his adviser will also see that the bike is totally worthless
transportation mode for most of the transportation capabilities needed by
the public. Bikes will then be a total failure. The worst thing that
can possibly happen to a politician. They will realize the stupidity of
trying to turn bikes into a major form of transportations.

Most transportation capabilities as far as I remember transport
inquiries in my country (EU, Austria) comprise of:
*) moving abt. one person (transporting goods not capable of being
transported with a bike due to bulkiness and weight amounts to abt.
10-15% of trips)
*) trip-lengths of 3-5 km length in more than 50% of the trips made.

The US-situation might not be as favourable as elsewhere due to sprawled
out city structure and wider distributed trip lengths. But not a real
challenge for people with average fitness either, given
non-cycling-hostile boundary conditions.

Post by Jack May
Since you are considerably dumber than the President, it is obvious you have
no concept of what is required for a major mode of transportation.

Thanks for your enlightening words.
Tadej

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by Tadej Brezina
Most transportation capabilities as far as I remember transport
*) moving abt. one person (transporting goods not capable of being
transported with a bike due to bulkiness and weight amounts to abt.
10-15% of trips)
*) trip-lengths of 3-5 km length in more than 50% of the trips made.
The US-situation might not be as favourable as elsewhere due to sprawled
out city structure and wider distributed trip lengths. But not a real
challenge for people with average fitness either, given
non-cycling-hostile boundary conditions.

Yep, the sprawl is the root of the problem, but bicycling in
combination with public transportation could cover those distances.

Only problem is, WHO DARES TO RIDE A BIKE WHEN THE LAW OF THE ROAD IS
THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE?

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by Jack May

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.
You have been told this but since you are dumber than President Bush, you
still don't understand it.
He and his adviser will also see that the bike is totally worthless
transportation mode for most of the transportation capabilities needed by
the public.   Bikes will then be a total failure.    The worst thing that
can possibly happen to a politician.   They will realize the stupidity of
trying to turn bikes into a major form of transportations.
Since you are considerably dumber than the President, it is obvious you have
no concept of what is required for a major mode of transportation.- Hide quoted text -
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If Americans saved energy by being lazy, McDonald's would go out of
business. But Americans are lazy and eat a lot.

If they rode bikes though at least they would be fit. And probably eat
better... ;)

[DennisTheBald]

Post by Jack May

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.

OMG! Somebody is certainly even dumber than Bush...
I suspect it's the moron that thinks there is a net energy savings in
using a 3/4 truck to haul his ass to the office rather than a
bicycle. I'll bet part of your calculation is to include the energy
it takes to deliver the snickers bar to the grocery store and you
think that there is a pipeline bringing the gallon of Esso to the
corner gas station. You need to give up the pipe there, Jack.

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by DennisTheBald

Post by Jack May

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...

You are even dumber than Bush and would make a horrible President.
His adviser will at least tell him that having everybody ride a bike will
both increase the consumption of oil to grow more food and will cause even
more problems than already exist in the world food supply.

OMG! Somebody is certainly even dumber than Bush...
I suspect it's the moron that thinks there is a net energy savings in
using a 3/4 truck to haul his ass to the office rather than a
bicycle.  I'll bet part of your calculation is to include the energy
it takes to deliver the snickers bar to the grocery store and you
think that there is a pipeline bringing the gallon of Esso to the
corner gas station.  You need to give up the pipe there, Jack.- Hide quoted text -
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Or maybe they are not even dumb, but playing dumb.

They think though that by getting away with evil they are smarter than
the rest, and they are just planting the seeds of their own undoing.

In the end, the dumb cyclists are smarter.

[Pat]

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...
"Bicycles should the first line of development, then public
transportation, then alternative vehicles..."
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
(beware of the lion)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

Okay, make a list of the things this administration has done right and/
or well. Now, you want them to promote biking? Getting the
administration behind it would be a sure-fire way to make sure NO ONE
bikes.

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by Pat

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is. So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...
"Bicycles should the first line of development, then public
transportation, then alternative vehicles..."
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
(beware of the lion)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

Okay, make a list of the things this administration has done right and/
or well.  Now, you want them to promote biking?  Getting the
administration behind it would be a sure-fire way to make sure NO ONE
bikes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The only thing they've done right is the price of gas to skyrocket.
You know, it makes bikes more tempting...

However you can argue it was an unintended consequence of the invasion
of Iraq, Venezuela, etc.

The political jungle is difficult to understand. A lot of camouflage
in it. ;)

So I won't give them the credit either.

[Tadej Brezina]

Post by ComandanteBanana
You know biking must be very low on their priority when you are honked
at, yelled at, pushed around and even spit at for doing the right
thing and riding a bike.

Actually a good sign for you, that you must do something right, if the
others, try to act as unfair as possible ... compare it to some ball
game or similar.

Post by ComandanteBanana
It could be another way, you know. Like cyclists getting respect --and
even admiration-- if one of our presidents spoke thus...

Presidential words wouldn't change a damn thing! At least not if spoken
only once!

Post by ComandanteBanana
"My fellow Americans, in light of scarce oil as well as the threat of
Terrorism and Global Warming, the days of the hungry dinosaurs are
over. Yes, no more SUVs, starting with my own. Instead, we will go
back to the smartest, cleanest and simplest vehicle ever created: the
bike. You shouldn't look at it though as a sacrifice, but as the means
to enjoy more free time. Yes, you won't to work your life away to keep
a Stupid Unnecessry Vehicle. And to top if off, you can be as sexy as
me..."

Haha, that's good for starters!
But only for the beginning. Regular (=every day) practise of habits like
that would bring firstly good PR for cycling and would change the
leader's point of view for good.

Post by ComandanteBanana
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is.

Why not?
She/he's a human with stinking farts and other necessities as every
other person, So why not lycra for increased cycling comfort instead of
trying to cycle in suit and tie.

Post by ComandanteBanana
So do you agree
that the goverment can do more, far more, to make bicycling part of
the American landscape?

Definitely!
Every government, except maybe the Danish or Dutch, they already have a
terrific cycling share of the modal split.

Post by ComandanteBanana
Here's what I would do if I ever were president...
"Bicycles should the first line of development, then public
transportation, then alternative vehicles..."

Almost perfect.
Put pedestrians first.
Tadej

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by Tadej Brezina

Post by ComandanteBanana
And then the President rides off in his lycra suit... Well, the last
part may not be such a great idea, but the rest is.

Why not?
She/he's a human with stinking farts and other necessities as every
other person, So why not lycra for increased cycling comfort instead of
trying to cycle in suit and tie.

No, I only said it because the president is not supposed to be sexy in
such a Christian nation.

But I don't see any contradiction between being patriotic and being
sexy...

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Post by Tadej Brezina
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it.”
<Upton Sinclair in The Jungle>

It seems we are fighting the same jungle, huh?

"In a society dominated by the fact of commercial competition, money
is necessarily the test of prowess, and wastefulness the sole
criterion of power." -Upton Sinclair, book 'The Jungle'

[ComandanteBanana]

(Someone has the happy idea to compare road safety with work safety)

QUOTE(datako @ May 21 2008, 03:54 PM)
"All the government has to do is to apply the same health and safety
thinking it requires of workplaces to road users.

Imagine in a workplace having a 1,000 kilo object travelling at 100km/
h and capable of random direction passing within 50cm of a person. It
would be banned or required to slow down and leave a larger margin of
distance.

Roads should be safe for all vulnerable users."


That's a good metaphor. Actually conditions on the roads for cyclists
must be as appalling as the meat industry was when the book 'The
Jungle' saw the light 100 years ago...

'Although Sinclair originally meant for his novel to focus on
industrial labor and working conditions, food safety became the most
pressing issue. Sinclair's account of workers falling into meat
processing tanks and being ground, along with animal parts, into
"Durham's Pure Leaf Lard", gripped public attention.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

[RicodJour]

Post by ComandanteBanana
(Someone has the happy idea to compare road safety with work safety)
"All the government has to do is to apply the same health and safety
thinking it requires of workplaces to road users.
Imagine in a workplace having a 1,000 kilo object travelling at 100km/
h and capable of random direction passing within 50cm of a person. It
would be banned or required to slow down and leave a larger margin of
distance.
Roads should be safe for all vulnerable users."
That's a good metaphor. Actually conditions on the roads for cyclists
must be as appalling as the meat industry was when the book 'The
Jungle' saw the light 100 years ago...
'Although Sinclair originally meant for his novel to focus on
industrial labor and working conditions, food safety became the most
pressing issue. Sinclair's account of workers falling into meat
processing tanks and being ground, along with animal parts, into
"Durham's Pure Leaf Lard", gripped public attention.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

Read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Pollan. We have only substituted one
set of a problems for another. I, for one, would just as soon have
the old jungle.

R

[ComandanteBanana]

Post by ComandanteBanana
(Someone has the happy idea to compare road safety with work safety)
"All the government has to do is to apply the same health and safety
thinking it requires of workplaces to road users.
Imagine in a workplace having a 1,000 kilo object travelling at 100km/
h and capable of random direction passing within 50cm of a person. It
would be banned or required to slow down and leave a larger margin of
distance.
Roads should be safe for all vulnerable users."
That's a good metaphor. Actually conditions on the roads for cyclists
must be as appalling as the meat industry was when the book 'The
Jungle' saw the light 100 years ago...
'Although Sinclair originally meant for his novel to focus on
industrial labor and working conditions, food safety became the most
pressing issue. Sinclair's account of workers falling into meat
processing tanks and being ground, along with animal parts, into
"Durham's Pure Leaf Lard", gripped public attention.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

Read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Pollan.  We have only substituted one
set of a problems for another.  I, for one, would just as soon have
the old jungle.

Let me quote from a review...

"he creates the ground work for a fairly simple conclusion -
industrial scale food production, whether organic or non, is a
failure, a disaster for those who care about ethics or the
environment. In a way, it doesn't matter whether what you care about
is the suffering of animals (industrial slaughter) or the suffering of
humans (malnutrition), the extermination of songbirds (pesticides) or
rising cancer rates (pesticides) or the extermination of everyone due
to global warming, the conclusion that Pollan expertly and gracefully
leads us to - ie, that many more people need to take a role in their
own food systems, both by buying locally, encouraging the creation of
millions of new small farms instead of an expanding industrial system,
and by growing some of their own (or hunting it, or foraging)..."

http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dilemma-Natural-History-Meals/dp/1594200823

And it is here that the bicycle is so fitting. Buying locally, biking
locally. We've got two bikes with huge baskets that we use to go to
the supermarket. Regrettably, it ain't Whole Foods, so we can only
pick and choose a few products. I still eat meat and drink diet Coke,
but maybe we should be ready to give them up after the
revolution... ;)

Oh, there's a Farmers Market in the other direction, so I promise to
check it out Saturday.