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Mid Town and Lower Manhattan Expressways
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d***@yahoo.com
2009-03-03 00:42:08 UTC
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Douglas A. Willinger
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Pat
2009-03-03 03:24:27 UTC
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Douglas A. Willinger
A Trip Within The Beltway
So?
Otto Yamamoto
2009-03-03 04:26:18 UTC
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Some recently created "what if" images
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Douglas A. Willinger
A Trip Within The Beltway
So?
Actually, it is interesting; and not neccesarily *for* the building of said freeways. It just shows what they would have looked like in a modern context.

I, for one am glad they're not there. I don't think they would have improved traffic flow across the Island; and would have ended up being a maintainence nightmare like the Cross-Bronx Expressway; never mind destroying a good bit of valuable real estate. The LoMEX would have pretty well ruined the Lower East Side.
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Steve
2009-03-03 11:58:58 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:24:27 -0800 (PST)
Post by d***@yahoo.com
Some recently created "what if" images
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2009/02/
Douglas A. Willinger
A Trip Within The Beltway
So?
Actually, it is interesting; and not neccesarily *for* the building of said freeways. It just shows what they would have looked like in a modern context.
I, for one am glad they're not there. I don't think they would have improved traffic flow across the Island; and would have ended up being a maintainence nightmare like the Cross-Bronx Expressway; never mind destroying a good bit of valuable real estate. The LoMEX would have pretty well ruined the Lower East Side.
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Otto Yamamoto ECHM
Given that both would have been elevated freeways like the West Side
Highway, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them had already
come down by now anyway.
Froggie
2009-03-03 12:09:31 UTC
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Given that both would have been elevated freeways like the West Side
Highway, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them had already
come down by now anyway.
As I understand it, the Mid-Manhattan was also proposed as a tunnel.
It's said that Moses preferred an elevated freeway due to lower cost.

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h***@bbs.cpcn.com
2009-03-03 17:35:29 UTC
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As I understand it, the Mid-Manhattan was also proposed as a tunnel.
It's said that Moses preferred an elevated freeway due to lower cost.
Moses hated tunnels. After he lost the battle over the Brooklyn
Battery crossing, he forever complained that it was twice as expensive
but had half the capacity than a bridge. To him, suspension bridges
were eternal works of art.

It appears that operating/maintaining a tunnel is noticeably more
expensive than for a bridge, if I read Triborough reports correctly.
It makes sense in that there's the power expensive of lighting and
exhaust fans 24/7, plus more crews on duty. Tunnels--walls, floor,
and ceiling, get scrubbed out every night.

(For myself, I like the Queens section of the Triborough Bridge with
the nice latice work on the towers. I don't care for his later
towers--too sterile--on the Br/Wh, Th/Nk, and Vz bridges.
MLOM
2009-03-04 02:39:56 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:24:27 -0800 (PST)
Post by d***@yahoo.com
Some recently created "what if" images
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2009/02/
Douglas A. Willinger
A Trip Within The Beltway
So?
Actually, it is interesting; and not neccesarily *for* the building of said freeways. It just shows what they would have looked like in a modern context.
I, for one am glad they're not there. I don't think they would have improved traffic flow across the Island; and would have ended up being a maintainence nightmare like the Cross-Bronx Expressway; never mind destroying a good bit of valuable real estate. The LoMEX would have pretty well ruined the Lower East Side.
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Otto Yamamoto ECHM
Given that both would have been elevated freeways like the West Side
Highway, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them had already
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They could easily have become collateral damage on 11 Sept. '01
anyway. It doesn't take that much force to knock down an elevated
freeway; think IH880 in the '89 earthquake.
Vid the Kid
2009-03-06 01:50:40 UTC
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Douglas A. Willinger
A Trip Within The Beltway
The "problem" with highways like that is no matter where you draw the
line, you're "cutting through the heart of" something. Somehow, every
city block constitutes "heart".
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Pat
2009-03-06 16:17:19 UTC
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Some recently created "what if" images
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2009/02/
Douglas A. Willinger
A Trip Within The Beltway
The "problem" with highways like that is no matter where you draw the
line, you're "cutting through the heart of" something.  Somehow, every
city block constitutes "heart".
Very true. Just like in Economic Development all locations are at the
center of everything, within 750 miles of X percent of something, etc.
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