Discussion:
Graffiti, Art Crime?
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Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-11 12:30:38 UTC
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Graffiti, Art Crime?
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Graffiti are images or letters applied without permission to publicly
viewable surfaces such as walls or bridges. Graffiti can be used to
communicate social and political messages, and as a form of
advertising. It is also considered a modern art form, and can be seen
in galleries around the world.
Modern graffiti is often seen as having become intertwined with Hip-
Hop culture as one of the four main elements of the culture. Now how
should Graffiti be delt with? Most of it would make a nice
neighborhood look bad, but in poor areas depending on the Graffiti it
may add some culture
to it. Taking out Graffiti would be like taking out Hot dogs at a
Baseball game for some cultures.
How should it be delt with?
Pat
2007-05-11 15:36:57 UTC
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On May 11, 8:30 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Graffiti, Art Crime?
-------------------------------
Graffiti are images or letters applied without permission to publicly
viewable surfaces such as walls or bridges. Graffiti can be used to
communicate social and political messages, and as a form of
advertising. It is also considered a modern art form, and can be seen
in galleries around the world.
Modern graffiti is often seen as having become intertwined with Hip-
Hop culture as one of the four main elements of the culture. Now how
should Graffiti be delt with? Most of it would make a nice
neighborhood look bad, but in poor areas depending on the Graffiti it
may add some culture
to it. Taking out Graffiti would be like taking out Hot dogs at a
Baseball game for some cultures.
How should it be delt with?
I think the people doing the "art" should be severely warned the first
time they do it. The second time they are caught, I think we should
cut off their spraying hand and send a message that it won't be
tolerated. The third time they are caught their other hand should be
cut off and their hair should be used to scrub the building they just
painted.

Also, they should be arrested and charged with theft of services
(because the owner has to repaint the building), tresspassing,
littering, and some environmental charge for leaving a paint behind,
and a zoning violation for erecting an illegal sign.

If they did it a fourth time, I'd throw their butt in prison until
they feel like they've outgrown that stage. After that, just throw
them in prison for a few years.

If you think it's art, I'll go take your bike and wrap it around a
tree for you, call it a sculpture, and see how you feel. Then I'll
give 50 bucks to the guys at the gas station to chase your sorry a*s
home every day for a week and call it "performance art". Theny we'll
go spraypaint the alter in the chapel at your school and see how you
like it. It's all the same thing.
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-11 15:57:43 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:30 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Graffiti, Art Crime?
-------------------------------
Graffiti are images or letters applied without permission to publicly
viewable surfaces such as walls or bridges. Graffiti can be used to
communicate social and political messages, and as a form of
advertising. It is also considered a modern art form, and can be seen
in galleries around the world.
Modern graffiti is often seen as having become intertwined with Hip-
Hop culture as one of the four main elements of the culture. Now how
should Graffiti be delt with? Most of it would make a nice
neighborhood look bad, but in poor areas depending on the Graffiti it
may add some culture
to it. Taking out Graffiti would be like taking out Hot dogs at a
Baseball game for some cultures.
How should it be delt with?
I think the people doing the "art" should be severely warned the first
time they do it. The second time they are caught, I think we should
cut off their spraying hand and send a message that it won't be
tolerated. The third time they are caught their other hand should be
cut off and their hair should be used to scrub the building they just
painted.
There's the sweet guy we all love on this forum ;-)
Pat
2007-05-11 18:36:07 UTC
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On May 11, 11:57 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:30 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Graffiti, Art Crime?
-------------------------------
Graffiti are images or letters applied without permission to publicly
viewable surfaces such as walls or bridges. Graffiti can be used to
communicate social and political messages, and as a form of
advertising. It is also considered a modern art form, and can be seen
in galleries around the world.
Modern graffiti is often seen as having become intertwined with Hip-
Hop culture as one of the four main elements of the culture. Now how
should Graffiti be delt with? Most of it would make a nice
neighborhood look bad, but in poor areas depending on the Graffiti it
may add some culture
to it. Taking out Graffiti would be like taking out Hot dogs at a
Baseball game for some cultures.
How should it be delt with?
I think the people doing the "art" should be severely warned the first
time they do it. The second time they are caught, I think we should
cut off their spraying hand and send a message that it won't be
tolerated. The third time they are caught their other hand should be
cut off and their hair should be used to scrub the building they just
painted.
There's the sweet guy we all love on this forum ;-)
I thought that I WAS being nice. For the first time, a stern
warning. Hey, any kid can make a mistake once and I think a warning
is in order. After that, it's chronic and needs to be dealt with.

Actually I think that is what should case for lots of things. For
example DUI. The first time should be a stern warning from the
judge. Almost anyone could go over the limit once, so if the BAL is
within reasonable limits, just the warning will probably be all that
is necessary for most people. For example, if you came home from the
Xmas party and blew a .09 instead of a .089, then I bet being in front
of the judge would scare you enough that it wouldn't happen again. A
fine or points really doesn't add it (and my goal with that would be
to keep drivers off the road, not punish them). After that, I think
they should be dealt with pretty harshly because they've been warned
and they know they can/will get caught.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-12 00:31:48 UTC
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Post by Pat
If you think it's art, I'll go take your bike and wrap it around a
tree for you, call it a sculpture, and see how you feel. Then I'll
give 50 bucks to the guys at the gas station to chase your sorry a*s
home every day for a week and call it "performance art". Theny we'll
go spraypaint the alter in the chapel at your school and see how you
like it. It's all the same thing.
Well some of it is pretty ugly, but there is plenty of it that is
not your tipical kinda of Art but its just a differnt kind of culture.
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Keep in mind though, theres a diffence between a mural and
Graffiti.
Pat
2007-05-12 01:01:16 UTC
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On May 11, 8:31 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
If you think it's art, I'll go take your bike and wrap it around a
tree for you, call it a sculpture, and see how you feel. Then I'll
give 50 bucks to the guys at the gas station to chase your sorry a*s
home every day for a week and call it "performance art". Theny we'll
go spraypaint the alter in the chapel at your school and see how you
like it. It's all the same thing.
Well some of it is pretty ugly, but there is plenty of it that is
not your tipical kinda of Art but its just a differnt kind of culture.http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/531/20066hdrgraf1ka3.jpg
Keep in mind though, theres a diffence between a mural and
Graffiti.
If that's your opinion of graffiti, then you've lived a sheltered life.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-12 13:21:20 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:31 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
If you think it's art, I'll go take your bike and wrap it around a
tree for you, call it a sculpture, and see how you feel. Then I'll
give 50 bucks to the guys at the gas station to chase your sorry a*s
home every day for a week and call it "performance art". Theny we'll
go spraypaint the alter in the chapel at your school and see how you
like it. It's all the same thing.
Well some of it is pretty ugly, but there is plenty of it that is
not your tipical kinda of Art but its just a differnt kind of culture.http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/531/20066hdrgraf1ka3.jpg
Keep in mind though, theres a diffence between a mural and
Graffiti.
If that's your opinion of graffiti, then you've lived a sheltered life.
Graffiti is a huge aspect of a culture. The fact that it may be bad is
irrelevent.
I really don't think you know graffiti as well as you think you do.
Graffiti can
be something that people use to speak out, not just to write their
gang
sign.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-12 18:39:12 UTC
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On May 12, 8:21 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:31 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
If you think it's art, I'll go take your bike and wrap it around a
tree for you, call it a sculpture, and see how you feel. Then I'll
give 50 bucks to the guys at the gas station to chase your sorry a*s
home every day for a week and call it "performance art". Theny we'll
go spraypaint the alter in the chapel at your school and see how you
like it. It's all the same thing.
Well some of it is pretty ugly, but there is plenty of it that is
not your tipical kinda of Art but its just a differnt kind of culture.http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/531/20066hdrgraf1ka3.jpg
Keep in mind though, theres a diffence between a mural and
Graffiti.
If that's your opinion of graffiti, then you've lived a sheltered life.
Graffiti is a huge aspect of a culture. The fact that it may be bad is
irrelevent.
I really don't think you know graffiti as well as you think you do.
Graffiti can
be something that people use to speak out, not just to write their
gang
sign.
I don't care what you think, this is art.
Loading Image...
Pat
2007-05-14 02:34:59 UTC
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On May 12, 2:39 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
On May 12, 8:21 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:31 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
If you think it's art, I'll go take your bike and wrap it around a
tree for you, call it a sculpture, and see how you feel. Then I'll
give 50 bucks to the guys at the gas station to chase your sorry a*s
home every day for a week and call it "performance art". Theny we'll
go spraypaint the alter in the chapel at your school and see how you
like it. It's all the same thing.
Well some of it is pretty ugly, but there is plenty of it that is
not your tipical kinda of Art but its just a differnt kind of culture.http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/531/20066hdrgraf1ka3.jpg
Keep in mind though, theres a diffence between a mural and
Graffiti.
If that's your opinion of graffiti, then you've lived a sheltered life.
Graffiti is a huge aspect of a culture. The fact that it may be bad is
irrelevent.
I really don't think you know graffiti as well as you think you do.
Graffiti can
be something that people use to speak out, not just to write their
gang
sign.
I don't care what you think, this is art.http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4383/universalpichk6.jpg
This is nice and I'm sure the owner gave permission to have it put on
the building. That is not graffitti. That is a mural.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-15 02:13:13 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 12, 2:39 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
On May 12, 8:21 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:31 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
If you think it's art, I'll go take your bike and wrap it around a
tree for you, call it a sculpture, and see how you feel. Then I'll
give 50 bucks to the guys at the gas station to chase your sorry a*s
home every day for a week and call it "performance art". Theny we'll
go spraypaint the alter in the chapel at your school and see how you
like it. It's all the same thing.
Well some of it is pretty ugly, but there is plenty of it that is
not your tipical kinda of Art but its just a differnt kind of culture.http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/531/20066hdrgraf1ka3.jpg
Keep in mind though, theres a diffence between a mural and
Graffiti.
If that's your opinion of graffiti, then you've lived a sheltered life.
Graffiti is a huge aspect of a culture. The fact that it may be bad is
irrelevent.
I really don't think you know graffiti as well as you think you do.
Graffiti can
be something that people use to speak out, not just to write their
gang
sign.
I don't care what you think, this is art.http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4383/universalpichk6.jpg
This is nice and I'm sure the owner gave permission to have it put on
the building. That is not graffitti. That is a mural.
Loading Image...-Piccaso
Loading Image...-Graffiti
Loading Image...-Abstract
Art

What differences do you see?
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-15 02:16:59 UTC
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Dead links sorry

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6952/accordonisteot5.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5130/graffitigaze1bw5.png
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9044/gr9x12002abstractartpx0.jpg
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
What differences do you see?
Pat
2007-05-15 15:33:28 UTC
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On May 14, 10:16 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Dead links sorry
Loading Image...
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9044/gr9x12002abstractartpx0.jpg
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
What differences do you see?
I was once watching a gardening show or something like that and they
guy was talking about how all plants are useful. Another person then
said something like "if all plants are good, then there are no
weeds". The first person responded, "a weed is the right plant in the
wrong place". Basically, if you have an alphalfa field with a few
ears of corn in it, the corn -- which is a good plant in general -- is
a weed. Tulips in the rose patch would be weeds. Rose bushes in the
field of dandolions that you grow for making wine would make the roses
weeds and the dandolions bad. Weeds are contextual.

If I walk into a bank wearing a suit, walk up to the loan officer and
say "give me a million dollars" and tell him I'll repay it; then I'll
get the million dollars and it is legal (whether or not I actually
repay it). If I walk in with a jogging suit on and the hood pulled
up, say "give me a million dollars" and tell them that you'll repay
it; then you've just robbed the bank. Again, the difference is
contectual -- it is not whether or not you get the million dollars and
whether or not you repay it.

Graffiti is the same way. If you give someone permission to paint on
your building, it's a mural. If you don't, it's graffiti. The
difference is not the quality, it is the permission (and intent). If
I tell someone it is okay to paint the side of my building, it is
legal and it is a mural. If I don't, then it is graffiti. With
graffiti, you have STOLEN from me because I now have to pay to have it
removed. Graffiti is like a rose bush in a dandolion field -- it is
something you don't want.

Here's my final point and it is strictly a pragmatic way to define
"graffiti". Go to www.maintenancewarehouse.com It is a division of
Home Depot devoted to facilities management. search from graffiti.
You will find 4 listings, all of which are graffiti removers. Then
search for "mural". There are no listings. Graffiti is something you
want removed: Murals are not.
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-15 15:42:45 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 14, 10:16 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Dead links sorry
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6952/accordonisteot5.jpghttp://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5130/graffitigaze1bw5.png
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9044/gr9x12002abstractartpx0.jpg
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
What differences do you see?
I was once watching a gardening show or something like that and they
guy was talking about how all plants are useful. Another person then
said something like "if all plants are good, then there are no
weeds". The first person responded, "a weed is the right plant in the
wrong place". Basically, if you have an alphalfa field with a few
ears of corn in it, the corn -- which is a good plant in general -- is
a weed. Tulips in the rose patch would be weeds. Rose bushes in the
field of dandolions that you grow for making wine would make the roses
weeds and the dandolions bad. Weeds are contextual.
If I walk into a bank wearing a suit, walk up to the loan officer and
say "give me a million dollars" and tell him I'll repay it; then I'll
get the million dollars and it is legal (whether or not I actually
repay it). If I walk in with a jogging suit on and the hood pulled
up, say "give me a million dollars" and tell them that you'll repay
it; then you've just robbed the bank. Again, the difference is
contectual -- it is not whether or not you get the million dollars and
whether or not you repay it.
Graffiti is the same way. If you give someone permission to paint on
your building, it's a mural. If you don't, it's graffiti. The
difference is not the quality, it is the permission (and intent). If
I tell someone it is okay to paint the side of my building, it is
legal and it is a mural. If I don't, then it is graffiti. With
graffiti, you have STOLEN from me because I now have to pay to have it
removed. Graffiti is like a rose bush in a dandolion field -- it is
something you don't want.
Here's my final point and it is strictly a pragmatic way to define
"graffiti". Go to www.maintenancewarehouse.com It is a division of
Home Depot devoted to facilities management. search from graffiti.
You will find 4 listings, all of which are graffiti removers. Then
search for "mural". There are no listings. Graffiti is something you
want removed: Murals are not.
However, if you look at things historically, grafitti has often provided
information about societies that wasn't available in any official records.
Our society documents everything about itself, so this may now be less
useful (replaced by youTube).

-Amy
Sancho Panza
2007-05-15 16:24:42 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 14, 10:16 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Dead links sorry
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6952/accordonisteot5.jpghttp://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5130/graffitigaze1bw5.png
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9044/gr9x12002abstractartpx0.jpg
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
What differences do you see?
I was once watching a gardening show or something like that and they
guy was talking about how all plants are useful. Another person then
said something like "if all plants are good, then there are no
weeds". The first person responded, "a weed is the right plant in the
wrong place". Basically, if you have an alphalfa field with a few
ears of corn in it, the corn -- which is a good plant in general -- is
a weed. Tulips in the rose patch would be weeds. Rose bushes in the
field of dandolions that you grow for making wine would make the roses
weeds and the dandolions bad. Weeds are contextual.
If I walk into a bank wearing a suit, walk up to the loan officer and
say "give me a million dollars" and tell him I'll repay it; then I'll
get the million dollars and it is legal (whether or not I actually
repay it). If I walk in with a jogging suit on and the hood pulled
up, say "give me a million dollars" and tell them that you'll repay
it; then you've just robbed the bank. Again, the difference is
contectual -- it is not whether or not you get the million dollars and
whether or not you repay it.
Graffiti is the same way. If you give someone permission to paint on
your building, it's a mural. If you don't, it's graffiti. The
difference is not the quality, it is the permission (and intent). If
I tell someone it is okay to paint the side of my building, it is
legal and it is a mural. If I don't, then it is graffiti. With
graffiti, you have STOLEN from me because I now have to pay to have it
removed. Graffiti is like a rose bush in a dandolion field -- it is
something you don't want.
Here's my final point and it is strictly a pragmatic way to define
"graffiti". Go to www.maintenancewarehouse.com It is a division of
Home Depot devoted to facilities management. search from graffiti.
You will find 4 listings, all of which are graffiti removers. Then
search for "mural". There are no listings. Graffiti is something you
want removed: Murals are not.
However, if you look at things historically, grafitti has often provided
information about societies that wasn't available in any official records.
Our society documents everything about itself, so this may now be less
useful (replaced by youTube).
One would think that people who are concerned about the commonweal would be
able to see what most of the citizenry takes to be destructive and
vandalism.
RJ
2007-05-16 01:13:03 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
However, if you look at things historically, grafitti has often provided
information about societies that wasn't available in any official records.
It provides information about what cretins are doing.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-16 03:10:58 UTC
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Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, if you look at things historically, grafitti has often provided
information about societies that wasn't available in any official records.
It provides information about what cretins are doing.
Okay I think before you make prejudice statements like that
you should find out more about the history of Graffiti. For example
find
out more about graffiti in Berlin,Germany.
RJ
2007-05-16 05:25:54 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, if you look at things historically, grafitti has often provided
information about societies that wasn't available in any official records.
It provides information about what cretins are doing.
Okay I think before you make prejudice statements like that
you should find out more about the history of Graffiti. For example
find
out more about graffiti in Berlin,Germany.
I've seen lots of NYC graffiti. It was all made by cretins.

If you paint somebody else's property, you are a moron. And a vandal.
RJ
2007-05-11 17:29:08 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
How should it be delt with?
Harshly.
Pat
2007-05-15 20:37:34 UTC
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While graffiti is -- by definition -- illegal, that does not mean that
all public art is graffiti.

Mr. Cool, if you want to see cool, public art you should check out the
master of public art -- Julian Beever. He is the best and all of the
graffiti lovers should lay down their spray cans in homage to him.

http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/pave.htm
rotten
2007-05-18 16:38:01 UTC
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On May 11, 8:30 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Graffiti, Art Crime?
-------------------------------
Graffiti are images or letters applied without permission to publicly
viewable surfaces such as walls or bridges. Graffiti can be used to
communicate social and political messages, and as a form of
advertising. It is also considered a modern art form, and can be seen
in galleries around the world.
Modern graffiti is often seen as having become intertwined with Hip-
Hop culture as one of the four main elements of the culture. Now how
should Graffiti be delt with? Most of it would make a nice
neighborhood look bad, but in poor areas depending on the Graffiti it
may add some culture
to it. Taking out Graffiti would be like taking out Hot dogs at a
Baseball game for some cultures.
How should it be delt with?
How should graffiti be dealt with? Well, use the common sense you were
(presumably) given.

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