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FLW's and Winged Victory
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Pat
2007-06-20 17:07:38 UTC
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From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
Michael Bulatovich
2007-06-20 17:37:15 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."

Abandoned the estate?
Pat
2007-06-20 17:58:55 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
Hey, we're talking Buffalo.
Post by Michael Bulatovich
From http://www.darwinmartinhouse.org/reference_sheet.php
"Sebastian Tauriello purchased the Martin House in 1955 (it had been
abandoned since 1937)."

also from the same page:
BUFFALO'S WRIGHTIAN GOLDEN AGE

For a golden age of some 22 years -- from 1927 until 1949 -- ten
Wright-designed structures stood in and around Buffalo. That heyday
included:

1. George Barton House (1903-04), extant
2. Larkin Company Administration Building (1904-06), demolished
1949-50
3. Darwin D. Martin House (1903-05), extant, a National Historic
Landmark
4. Martin House Pergola (1903-05), demolished early 1960s
5. Martin House Conservatory (1903-05), demolished early 1960s
6. Martin House Carriage House and Stable (1903-05), demolished early
1960s
7. William R. Heath House (1905), extant
8. Martin House Gardener's Cottage (1908), extant
9. Walter V. Davidson House (1912), extant
10. Martin family's lakeshore summer house/Graycliff (1927), extant

General info at:
http://www.darwinmartinhouse.org/
Charles Jones
2007-06-20 18:04:55 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_House

"Following the loss of the family fortune due to the Great Depression
and Darwin Martin's death, the family abandoned the house in 1937. For
the next two decades, it remained vacant, was considerably vandalized,
and began to deteriorate."
--
Charles Jones [ ***@frii.com ]
Loveland, Colorado, USA
AIM: LovelandCharles MSN: ***@passport.com
http://www.myspace.com/charlesj68
Michael Bulatovich
2007-06-20 18:18:50 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably
disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_House
"Following the loss of the family fortune due to the Great Depression
and Darwin Martin's death, the family abandoned the house in 1937. For
the next two decades, it remained vacant, was considerably vandalized,
and began to deteriorate."
--
Loveland, Colorado, USA
http://www.myspace.com/charlesj68
Thanks for that, Charles. It's a nice one, and shows up well on Google
Earth.
Pat
2007-06-20 18:37:24 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_House
"Following the loss of the family fortune due to the Great Depression
and Darwin Martin's death, the family abandoned the house in 1937. For
the next two decades, it remained vacant, was considerably vandalized,
and began to deteriorate."
--
Loveland, Colorado, USA
http://www.myspace.com/charlesj68
Thanks for that, Charles. It's a nice one, and shows up well on Google
Earth.
This is their summer house, by FLW
http://graycliff.bfn.org/index.htm
Michael Bulatovich
2007-06-20 19:00:12 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_House
"Following the loss of the family fortune due to the Great Depression
and Darwin Martin's death, the family abandoned the house in 1937. For
the next two decades, it remained vacant, was considerably vandalized,
and began to deteriorate."
--
Loveland, Colorado, USA
http://www.myspace.com/charlesj68
Thanks for that, Charles. It's a nice one, and shows up well on Google
Earth.
This is their summer house, by FLW
http://graycliff.bfn.org/index.htm
This one doesn't strike me nearly as good.
Pat
2007-06-20 19:16:34 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_House
"Following the loss of the family fortune due to the Great Depression
and Darwin Martin's death, the family abandoned the house in 1937. For
the next two decades, it remained vacant, was considerably vandalized,
and began to deteriorate."
--
Loveland, Colorado, USA
http://www.myspace.com/charlesj68
Thanks for that, Charles. It's a nice one, and shows up well on Google
Earth.
This is their summer house, by FLW
http://graycliff.bfn.org/index.htm
This one doesn't strike me nearly as good.
What? What? An architect who doesn't think that FLW is a nifonging
genius and that everything he designes just reeks of inspiration?
What kind of second rate architectural school did you go to, one of
those <disparinging sigh> modernist schools?

A pox on your vellum. (or is it now "a virus on your autocad").
Michael Bulatovich
2007-06-20 20:40:15 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably disintegrated
or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_House
"Following the loss of the family fortune due to the Great Depression
and Darwin Martin's death, the family abandoned the house in 1937. For
the next two decades, it remained vacant, was considerably vandalized,
and began to deteriorate."
--
Loveland, Colorado, USA
http://www.myspace.com/charlesj68
Thanks for that, Charles. It's a nice one, and shows up well on Google
Earth.
This is their summer house, by FLW
http://graycliff.bfn.org/index.htm
This one doesn't strike me nearly as good.
What? What? An architect who doesn't think that FLW is a nifonging
genius and that everything he designes just reeks of inspiration?
What kind of second rate architectural school did you go to, one of
those <disparinging sigh> modernist schools?
A pox on your vellum. (or is it now "a virus on your autocad").
I'm not worried. I've got the latest Norton Architectural Security.
Amy Blankenship
2007-06-20 18:58:25 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably
disintegrated or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the
estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
At one point the Martin family had a lot of money, but they loaned it all to
Frank Lloyd Wright and he never paid them back...
Edgar
2007-06-20 22:34:51 UTC
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Post by Pat
From the Buffalo News
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/102674.html
"...No one knows what became of the original, but it probably
disintegrated or was vandalized after the Martin family abandoned the
estate in 1936."
Abandoned the estate?
At one point the Martin family had a lot of money, but they loaned it all
to Frank Lloyd Wright and he never paid them back...
Oh come now he did not "loan him all their money" he gave him great sums,
but it was nothing to them and they were good friends, but the great
depression hit him very hard, and he died penniless because of it.

I saw a good History channel show on their relationship, and on FLLW work
culminating in the design of that Grey Cliff house. Very interesting, but
if that is what it takes to become a great and heralded designer, I think
I'll stick to what I got. For them being good friends (and Darwin believed
in FLLW vision which is why he poured money into him), it was truly very one
sided.
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Edgar
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