Discussion:
San Diego bans SuperCenters
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Amy Blankenship
2006-12-04 21:02:02 UTC
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061129/news_1n29walmart.html
George Conklin
2006-12-05 00:45:59 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061129/news_1n29walmart.html
All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the least. It
is another misuse of zoning to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals. Hatred of Wal-Mart today is
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-05 13:50:22 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061129/news_1n29walmart.html
All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the least.
It
is another misuse of zoning to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals. Hatred of Wal-Mart today is
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
I think that assuming that those who disagree with you are not intelligent
is a poor substitute for intelligence. I personally like Wal-Mart. If it
hadn't been for area Wal-Marts and several other large retailers with
national distribution chains opening quickly and providing free ice after
Katrina, the coast would have been way worse off than it was. Wal-Mart also
donated $1 million to Mississippi's recovery efforts (though this pales in
comparison to, for instance, the contribution of John Grisham).

However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities. I'm not
sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San Diego felt
it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to pay state
corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be put out out
of business by a company that can avoid them. But I don't know if state
corporate income taxes are returned back to the community that generated
them or not, so that's speculation. Possibly they looked at studies of
income from communities before and after they got big box retail and decided
that more sales tax would be generated if people had higher incomes and thus
more money to spend. Or maybe they felt that once incomes dropped in the
community as a whole, even more people would be able to "afford it the
least," leading to a net disadvantage to the community even if some
individuals would be helped by low prices. It's hard to say why they made
that choice, but I suspect it wasn't because they're stupid people.

Just a thought;

Amy
George Conklin
2006-12-05 18:18:41 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061129/news_1n29walmart.html
All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the least.
It
is another misuse of zoning to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals. Hatred of Wal-Mart today is
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
I think that assuming that those who disagree with you are not intelligent
is a poor substitute for intelligence. I personally like Wal-Mart. If it
hadn't been for area Wal-Marts and several other large retailers with
national distribution chains opening quickly and providing free ice after
Katrina, the coast would have been way worse off than it was. Wal-Mart also
donated $1 million to Mississippi's recovery efforts (though this pales in
comparison to, for instance, the contribution of John Grisham).
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities. I'm not
sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San Diego felt
it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to pay state
corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be put out out
of business by a company that can avoid them. But I don't know if state
corporate income taxes are returned back to the community that generated
them or not, so that's speculation. Possibly they looked at studies of
income from communities before and after they got big box retail and decided
that more sales tax would be generated if people had higher incomes and thus
more money to spend. Or maybe they felt that once incomes dropped in the
community as a whole, even more people would be able to "afford it the
least," leading to a net disadvantage to the community even if some
individuals would be helped by low prices. It's hard to say why they made
that choice, but I suspect it wasn't because they're stupid people.
Just a thought;
Amy
The same fight goes all the way back to merchants who opposed Parcel Post
because it would allow unfair competition.
Jack May
2006-12-06 03:46:30 UTC
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considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities. I'm
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San Diego
felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to pay state
corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be put out
out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to the past
and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give them far too
much credit of maybe having the ability to think through the situation.
Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend. It is typical of
the politicians I have dealt with.

San Francisco lost its port to Oakland for trying to save the dock union.
San Diego may lose their customers to further out town that do have the big
box stores. Your references about trying to save local businesses is the
usual incompetence that kill off both the small businesses and the faster
growing, cost competitive new businesses. A lot of town have become
boarded up such foolish approaches.
George Conklin
2006-12-06 12:58:58 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities. I'm
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San Diego
felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to pay state
corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be put out
out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to the past
and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give them far too
much credit of maybe having the ability to think through the situation.
Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend. It is typical of
the politicians I have dealt with.
San Francisco lost its port to Oakland for trying to save the dock union.
San Diego may lose their customers to further out town that do have the big
box stores. Your references about trying to save local businesses is the
usual incompetence that kill off both the small businesses and the faster
growing, cost competitive new businesses. A lot of town have become
boarded up such foolish approaches.
Don't forget that the professional planners, usually called 'staff,' often
back such measures and then proclaim that if you don't support staff, you
are supporting amateurs. Thus the poltics gets a perfect cover story.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-06 16:01:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities. I'm
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to pay
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to the
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give them
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend. It is
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't actually
know what their motivations are, you're just knee jerk attacking on the
basis of someone on a newsgroup's imputing them with motivations they may or
may not have. Yet you accuse these people, whom you don't know and whose
true motivations you have know way of knowing, of "blindly following a
trend."

How is it ok for you, who have no facts on the situation, to attack them for
the flimsiest of reasons, yet when they make decisions they're "blindly
following a trend"? At the very least, we can assume they're fairly well
aware of the dynamics of their area--more so than we are. They probably did
also look into at least some of the facts of the matter, but we can't really
assume that they did OR THAT THEY DIDN'T. We don't know.

However, I doubt they actually care whether you think they are blind or
George thinks they are stupid. Likely they don't read this newsgroup.
Post by George Conklin
San Francisco lost its port to Oakland for trying to save the dock union.
San Diego may lose their customers to further out town that do have the
big box stores. Your references about trying to save local businesses is
the usual incompetence that kill off both the small businesses and the
faster growing, cost competitive new businesses. A lot of town have
become boarded up such foolish approaches.
A lot of towns have been boarded up because of a lot of foolish approaches
and reasons that had nothing to do with anything officials there did. It
would be interesting to see what hard data leads you to believe that
limiting the size of stores that sell groceries has ever killed any town.
As far as I understand it, very few towns have tried it. So I would imagine
it's a bit premature for there to be studies on that.

-Amy
Jack May
2006-12-07 03:45:12 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't actually
know what their motivations are, you're just knee jerk attacking on the
basis of someone on a newsgroup's imputing them with motivations they may
or may not have. Yet you accuse these people, whom you don't know and
whose true motivations you have know way of knowing, of "blindly following
a trend."
I am commenting on what I see over and over again in local politics and my
experience working with politicians. What I keep seeing is a lack of
thinking or an understanding of how the world works. What is common is
people using common clichés trying to fit in with the crowd.

Politics is largely trying to support what most people believe. Typically
that leads to approaches that don't do much and have a lot of failures.

When you deal with the "best and brightest" the problem solving approach is
radically different and usually far more successful. The best and brightest
don't want consensus, they want the best that is possible.
Post by Amy Blankenship
How is it ok for you, who have no facts on the situation, to attack them
for the flimsiest of reasons, yet when they make decisions they're
"blindly following a trend"? At the very least, we can assume they're
fairly well aware of the dynamics of their area--more so than we are.
They probably did also look into at least some of the facts of the matter,
but we can't really assume that they did OR THAT THEY DIDN'T. We don't
know.
We are mainly talking about average people when we talk about politics.
They have an understanding of local conditions, but they are typically not
going to be able to predict very well what will happen as the complex
consequences of their decision. I seen this happen many times in political
structures

This is not even conjecture. We know that the top 1% of people accomplishes
5 times more than the average person and the bottom 20% accomplishes almost
nothing. By accomplishing, it is meant their rate of producing success.

Politics and groups drive results toward the average. Organizations that
are searching for the individual with the best approaches tend to drive
solutions towards the best possible. That is probably the most important
thing I learned in my several years representing my company in Silicon
Valley transportation politics.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
San Francisco lost its port to Oakland for trying to save the dock union.
San Diego may lose their customers to further out town that do have the
big box stores. Your references about trying to save local businesses
is the usual incompetence that kill off both the small businesses and the
faster growing, cost competitive new businesses. A lot of town have
become boarded up such foolish approaches.
A lot of towns have been boarded up because of a lot of foolish approaches
and reasons that had nothing to do with anything officials there did. It
would be interesting to see what hard data leads you to believe that
limiting the size of stores that sell groceries has ever killed any town.
As far as I understand it, very few towns have tried it. So I would
imagine it's a bit premature for there to be studies on that.
People are mainly are looking for the best value for their money. Thus us
the most fundamental rule of all economics. Big box stores are specifically
developed to minimize total cost to maximize sales volume.

So what happens when a town tries to save the expensive local small
merchant? The people drive to the large stores to get the best prices and
best selection. The small high cost stores sales still tend to drop to
low levels and large stores tend to dominate the dollar volume of sales.
George Conklin
2006-12-07 13:31:30 UTC
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Post by Jack May
When you deal with the "best and brightest" the problem solving approach is
radically different and usually far more successful. The best and brightest
don't want consensus, they want the best that is possible.
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That is what planners say they are doing when they want you out of your
single-family house and into a highrise.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-07 15:26:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jack May
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't actually
know what their motivations are, you're just knee jerk attacking on the
basis of someone on a newsgroup's imputing them with motivations they may
or may not have. Yet you accuse these people, whom you don't know and
whose true motivations you have know way of knowing, of "blindly
following a trend."
I am commenting on what I see over and over again in local politics and my
experience working with politicians. What I keep seeing is a lack of
thinking or an understanding of how the world works. What is common is
people using common clichés trying to fit in with the crowd.
Again, I find your statements interesting. I would think that if they truly
wanted to fit in with the crowd, they would never consider placing any
limits on large retailers, since the vast majority of towns don't.
Post by Jack May
Politics is largely trying to support what most people believe.
Typically that leads to approaches that don't do much and have a lot of
failures.
That's true. Most people believe that corporations have an innate right to
expand indefinitely and that every major highway intersection should have a
big box development. To *most* people, that's just the way of the world.
San Diego is trying something different.
Post by Jack May
When you deal with the "best and brightest" the problem solving approach
is radically different and usually far more successful. The best and
brightest don't want consensus, they want the best that is possible.
San Diego's problem solving approach is, in fact, radically different from
the "status quo." I would argue that they DO want the best that is
possible. Whether their approach achieves the best remains to be seen.
Certainly they did not acheive consensus with their own mayor.
Post by Jack May
Post by Amy Blankenship
How is it ok for you, who have no facts on the situation, to attack them
for the flimsiest of reasons, yet when they make decisions they're
"blindly following a trend"? At the very least, we can assume they're
fairly well aware of the dynamics of their area--more so than we are.
They probably did also look into at least some of the facts of the
matter, but we can't really assume that they did OR THAT THEY DIDN'T. We
don't know.
We are mainly talking about average people when we talk about politics.
They have an understanding of local conditions, but they are typically not
going to be able to predict very well what will happen as the complex
consequences of their decision. I seen this happen many times in
political structures
This is not even conjecture. We know that the top 1% of people
accomplishes 5 times more than the average person and the bottom 20%
accomplishes almost nothing. By accomplishing, it is meant their rate of
producing success.
Politics and groups drive results toward the average. Organizations that
are searching for the individual with the best approaches tend to drive
solutions towards the best possible. That is probably the most
important thing I learned in my several years representing my company in
Silicon Valley transportation politics.
Just because you don't agree with their approach, which is *not* typical,
does not mean it won't be successful.
Post by Jack May
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
San Francisco lost its port to Oakland for trying to save the dock
union. San Diego may lose their customers to further out town that do
have the big box stores. Your references about trying to save local
businesses is the usual incompetence that kill off both the small
businesses and the faster growing, cost competitive new businesses. A
lot of town have become boarded up such foolish approaches.
A lot of towns have been boarded up because of a lot of foolish
approaches and reasons that had nothing to do with anything officials
there did. It would be interesting to see what hard data leads you to
believe that limiting the size of stores that sell groceries has ever
killed any town. As far as I understand it, very few towns have tried it.
So I would imagine it's a bit premature for there to be studies on that.
People are mainly are looking for the best value for their money. Thus us
the most fundamental rule of all economics. Big box stores are
specifically developed to minimize total cost to maximize sales volume.
That is one assumption. I recently had a DIY project where I costed various
components at local businesses and big boxes alike in order to make sure I
was doing it for the lowest possible price. About half of the parts were
available lower at big box, and about half were available lower from a local
business. However, the total amount I spent at the local business was
higher, due to the mix of products involved.

One would also hope that a politician would have other considerations when
formulating policy, such as the long term economic and environmental health
of their jurisdictions. Some parts of their thought process might have
looked like this http://tinyurl.com/y2y5xf.
Post by Jack May
So what happens when a town tries to save the expensive local small
merchant? The people drive to the large stores to get the best prices
and best selection. The small high cost stores sales still tend to drop
to low levels and large stores tend to dominate the dollar volume of
sales.
I suspect this is due as much to the larger advertising budgets of big
retailers as any other factor. I don't believe that big box truly does have
lower prices for the same quality product. I know that we wound up having
to buy two riding lawn mowers, because the low price choice we made the
first time around fell apart in less than a year-- and we spent about 3/4 of
its purchase price on parts trying to resuscitate it. The more expensive
model we bought from a local business has held up much better. So even if
prices were demonstrably lower across all big box chains
http://www.epinet.org/workingpapers/wp276.pdf than their local counterparts,
I don't even know if it is possible to study the impact of shoddy goods that
are priced lower on the people who buy them and factor them in.
George Conklin
2006-12-07 16:16:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't actually
know what their motivations are, you're just knee jerk attacking on the
basis of someone on a newsgroup's imputing them with motivations they may
or may not have. Yet you accuse these people, whom you don't know and
whose true motivations you have know way of knowing, of "blindly
following a trend."
I am commenting on what I see over and over again in local politics and my
experience working with politicians. What I keep seeing is a lack of
thinking or an understanding of how the world works. What is common is
people using common clichés trying to fit in with the crowd.
Again, I find your statements interesting. I would think that if they truly
wanted to fit in with the crowd, they would never consider placing any
limits on large retailers, since the vast majority of towns don't.
Upper class fashions are what planners scream about. The average person
who stops at Wal-Mart? Ploanners hate people like that.
George Conklin
2006-12-07 13:30:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities.
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to pay
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to the
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give them
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend. It is
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't actually
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have always attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher reasons
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than prejudice.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-07 15:30:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities.
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to the
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give them
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend. It
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't actually
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have always attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher reasons
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than prejudice.
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of walkable
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad range
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in service of
those issues?
George Conklin
2006-12-07 16:16:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities.
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have to
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to be
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to the
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give them
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't actually
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have always attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher reasons
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than prejudice.
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of walkable
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad range
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in service of
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate the choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-07 16:51:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities.
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have always attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of walkable
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in service
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate the choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
George Conklin
2006-12-07 17:07:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other priorities.
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO have
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them to
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have always attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of walkable
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in service
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate the choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-07 17:40:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does perhaps San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have always attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate the choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.

http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html

We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough money
to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
Sancho Panza
2006-12-07 18:06:23 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have always attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate the choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-07 18:50:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang on to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate the choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you're going to subsidize one, you can't justify not subsidizing the
other. Othewise you are directly taking money out of the pockets of one set
of businesses and applying it to the bottom lines of their competitors.

I think it's adorable how George always calls you in when he's losing a
debate.
Sancho Panza
2006-12-07 23:37:11 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
in
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing
them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang
on
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You
give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent
trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual
reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at
Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you're going to subsidize one, you can't justify not subsidizing the
other. Othewise you are directly taking money out of the pockets of one set
of businesses and applying it to the bottom lines of their competitors.
I think it's adorable how George always calls you in when he's losing a
debate.
Nobody calls me in from anywhere. I have had more than one public argument
with the other poster, yet I certainly respect him and his views. I would
like to think he reciprocates. But I really have no way of knowing that. So
much for the conspiratorial theories.

As for the subsidies, logic dictates the converse of the original
proposition. That means that incentives for whatever are deemed to be small
retailers should also be extended to middling and large retailers. Oops,
Bentonville is on the line.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-08 03:19:58 UTC
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in
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
in
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that
DO
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing
them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang
on
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society..
You
give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think
through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent
trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis
of
my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you
don't
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual
reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at
Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake
higher
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that
offer
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right.
Anyone
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Sancho Panza
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you're going to subsidize one, you can't justify not subsidizing the
other. Othewise you are directly taking money out of the pockets of one
set
Post by Amy Blankenship
of businesses and applying it to the bottom lines of their competitors.
I think it's adorable how George always calls you in when he's losing a
debate.
Nobody calls me in from anywhere. I have had more than one public argument
with the other poster, yet I certainly respect him and his views. I would
like to think he reciprocates. But I really have no way of knowing that. So
much for the conspiratorial theories.
As for the subsidies, logic dictates the converse of the original
proposition. That means that incentives for whatever are deemed to be small
retailers should also be extended to middling and large retailers. Oops,
Bentonville is on the line.
As long as it makes business sense and sense in terms of all the issues
faced by a given community, all cards should be on the table. All business
seeksing subsidy should have to prove that their business practices are in
line with the stated purpose of the subsidy.
George Conklin
2006-12-08 01:48:09 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
considered a good substitution for intelligence.
Post by Amy Blankenship
However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang
on
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think through
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of my
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake higher
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices people
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you call it 'choice,' you can subsidize anything. But most choice
advocates want you to have only choice which they want, if you can walk to
the choice.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-08 03:20:43 UTC
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in
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considered a good substitution for intelligence.
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However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
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I'm
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not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that DO
have
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to
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pay
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state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing
them
to
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be
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Post by George Conklin
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put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang
on
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
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to
the
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past and don't understand trends of change in society.. You
give
them
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Post by Amy Blankenship
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far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think
through
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the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent
trend.
It
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is
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typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of
my
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
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speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
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Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual
reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
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attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at
Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake
higher
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
reasons
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which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very
broad
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is YOU want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices
people
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you call it 'choice,' you can subsidize anything. But most choice
advocates want you to have only choice which they want, if you can walk to
the choice.
Or if they can't, if the person advocating "choice" is George Conklin.
George Conklin
2006-12-08 13:48:05 UTC
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in
in
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considered a good substitution for intelligence.
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However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses that
DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than allowing
them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to hang
on
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society..
You
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
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give
them
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think
through
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
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the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent
trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis of
my
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The usual
reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at
Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake
higher
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very
broad
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is
YOU
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices
people
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should ALL people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you call it 'choice,' you can subsidize anything. But most choice
advocates want you to have only choice which they want, if you can walk to
the choice.
Or if they can't, if the person advocating "choice" is George Conklin.
"Choice" is a code word these days for "give me a subsidy." In reality,
when you ban Wal-Mart, you are always against choice, but for a subsidy for
some locally-connected yahoo.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-08 14:06:25 UTC
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in
in
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considered a good substitution for intelligence.
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However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses
that
DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than
allowing
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
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them
to
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Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
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put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to
hang
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
on
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society..
You
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
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give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think
through
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
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the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a recent
trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
my
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you
don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The
usual
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop at
Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake
higher
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very
broad
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart
in
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is
YOU
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices
people
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should
ALL
people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you call it 'choice,' you can subsidize anything. But most choice
advocates want you to have only choice which they want, if you can walk
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
the choice.
Or if they can't, if the person advocating "choice" is George Conklin.
"Choice" is a code word these days for "give me a subsidy." In reality,
when you ban Wal-Mart, you are always against choice, but for a subsidy for
some locally-connected yahoo.
Wal-Mart gets as many subsidies as any company out there. Why do you think
it's ok to subsidize that company but no others?
George Conklin
2006-12-08 14:44:14 UTC
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in
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in
in
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considered a good substitution for intelligence.
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However, the San Diego authorities might have had other
priorities.
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
I'm
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it does
perhaps
San
Diego felt it was wiser to keep more local businesses
that
DO
have
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
pay
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than
allowing
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
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them
to
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
be
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
put out out of business by a company that can avoid them.
This sounds like the usual political types that want to
hang
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
on
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
to
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
past and don't understand trends of change in society..
You
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
give
them
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
far too much credit of maybe having the ability to think
through
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a
recent
trend.
It
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the basis
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
my
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
speculation as to what their motivations might be. So you
don't
actually
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The
usual
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants have
always
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop
at
Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake
higher
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
reasons
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more
than
prejudice.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very
broad
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
range
Post by Amy Blankenship
of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart
in
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
service
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
of
Post by Amy Blankenship
those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is
YOU
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Jack May
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what choices
people
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Amy Blankenship
make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a few
developments here and there and a few cities here and there that offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should
ALL
people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It is
tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you call it 'choice,' you can subsidize anything. But most choice
advocates want you to have only choice which they want, if you can walk
to
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the choice.
Or if they can't, if the person advocating "choice" is George Conklin.
"Choice" is a code word these days for "give me a subsidy." In reality,
when you ban Wal-Mart, you are always against choice, but for a subsidy for
some locally-connected yahoo.
Wal-Mart gets as many subsidies as any company out there. Why do you think
it's ok to subsidize that company but no others?
Banning Wal-Mart is not giving the customers a choice. The rant for
'choice' these days is nothing more than subsidizing local business. You
have perverted the world choice into no choice.
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in
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in
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considered a good substitution for intelligence.
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However, the San Diego authorities might have had
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I'm
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not sure if CA has the Geoffrey loophole, but if it
does
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perhaps
San
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DO
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to
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pay
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state corporate taxes on the tax rolls rather than
allowing
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them
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be
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put out out of business by a company that can avoid
them.
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This sounds like the usual political types that want to
hang
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on
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to
the
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past and don't understand trends of change in society..
You
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give
them
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far too much credit of maybe having the ability to
think
through
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the
situation. Most of them are just blindly following a
recent
trend.
It
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is
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typical of the politicians I have dealt with.
I think this is interesting. You attack people on the
basis
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of
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my
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speculation as to what their motivations might be. So
you
don't
actually
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know what their motivations are,
So you wish reification of your idle speculations. The
usual
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reasons
are given at 99% of zoning hearings and local merchants
have
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always
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attacked
anything which will give the consumer a choice. Don't shop
at
Wal-Mart.
But stop denying others the chance in the name of same fake
higher
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reasons
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which you like to make up to make your opinions seem more
than
prejudice.
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the
choice
of
walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a
very
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broad
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range
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of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them
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in
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service
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of
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those issues?
Choice? Every time you hear that word, look out. You just hate
the
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choice
most people make and want to restrict choice to whatever it is
YOU
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want.
I suspect that YOU are the one who wants to restrict what
choices
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people
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make to what you want. After all, why is it you are against a
few
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developments here and there and a few cities here and there
that
offer
different choices than what are commonly available? Why should
ALL
people
be restricted to the choices YOU think most people want to make?
Creating tax breaks for artificial choices is not choice. It
is
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tax-subsidized theft.
I totally agree with you.
http://www.newrules.org/retail/corpincome.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/tifreform.html
http://www.newrules.org/retail/veto.html
We should stop subsidizing large retailers that certainly make enough
money to conduct operations without help from taxpayers.
But subsidizing other than large retailers is presumably all right. Anyone
want to start drawing some fine lines?
If you call it 'choice,' you can subsidize anything. But most
choice
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advocates want you to have only choice which they want, if you can
walk
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to
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the choice.
Or if they can't, if the person advocating "choice" is George Conklin.
"Choice" is a code word these days for "give me a subsidy." In
reality,
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when you ban Wal-Mart, you are always against choice, but for a subsidy for
some locally-connected yahoo.
Wal-Mart gets as many subsidies as any company out there. Why do you
think
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it's ok to subsidize that company but no others?
Banning Wal-Mart is not giving the customers a choice. The rant for
'choice' these days is nothing more than subsidizing local business. You
have perverted the world choice into no choice.
As far as I know, no one HAS banned Wal-Mart. But just to be clear:

(1) You are in favor of subsidizing Wal-Mart
(2) You are against subsidizing small business

Correct?
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of walkable
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will build it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc. don't
exist.
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of walkable
shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will build it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc. don't
exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote every time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices and limited
choice. Wal-Mart, above all, has great choice.
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2006-12-08 05:04:13 UTC
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will build it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc. don't
exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote every time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices and limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to constantly attack
people with an alternate viewpoint. It would be like jumping all over
someone who argued that the sky is pink. However, this study
http://tinyurl.com/yhhfas suggests you might have been brainwashed...
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Wal-Mart, above all, has great choice.
Anyone think the Board of Trustees for George's University is interesting?
http://tinyurl.com/yanqtv
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart in
service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will build it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc. don't
exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote every time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices and limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to constantly attack
people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance even to get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart
in
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service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will build it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc. don't
exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote every time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices and limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to constantly
attack
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people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance even to get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
I love it when you start putting words in my mouth to argue against. It's a
sure sign you know you can't debate what I actually said.

Thanks for your concession. Pleasure debating you again. See ya next time
:-).
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them Wal-Mart
in
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service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will build it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc. don't
exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote every time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices and limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to constantly
attack
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people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance even to get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
I love it when you start putting words in my mouth to argue against. It's a
sure sign you know you can't debate what I actually said.
Thanks for your concession. Pleasure debating you again. See ya next time
:-).
You posted at the top that San Diego bans SuperCenters. You supported
that decision.
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walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them
Wal-Mart
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in
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service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will
build
it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc.
don't
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exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote every time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices and limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to constantly
attack
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people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance even to get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
I love it when you start putting words in my mouth to argue against.
It's
a
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sure sign you know you can't debate what I actually said.
Thanks for your concession. Pleasure debating you again. See ya next
time
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:-).
You posted at the top that San Diego bans SuperCenters. You supported
that decision.
San Diego did not ban Wal-Mart. Read the article again.
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice of
walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a very broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them
Wal-Mart
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in
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service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will
build
it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc.
don't
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exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote
every
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time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices
and
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limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to constantly
attack
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people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance even
to
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get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
I love it when you start putting words in my mouth to argue against.
It's
a
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sure sign you know you can't debate what I actually said.
Thanks for your concession. Pleasure debating you again. See ya next
time
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:-).
You posted at the top that San Diego bans SuperCenters. You supported
that decision.
San Diego did not ban Wal-Mart. Read the article again.
I suggest the title of the thread is:
Re: San Diego bans SuperCenters

That is Wal-Mart and stop trying to be super-cute.
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walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a
very
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broad
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Wal-Mart
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in
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service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will
build
it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc.
don't
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exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote
every
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time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices
and
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limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to
constantly
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attack
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people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance even
to
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get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
I love it when you start putting words in my mouth to argue against.
It's
a
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sure sign you know you can't debate what I actually said.
Thanks for your concession. Pleasure debating you again. See ya next
time
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:-).
You posted at the top that San Diego bans SuperCenters. You
supported
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that decision.
San Diego did not ban Wal-Mart. Read the article again.
Re: San Diego bans SuperCenters
That is Wal-Mart and stop trying to be super-cute.
Let me add: The FIRST LINE of the article you cite says:

San Diego vs. Wal-Mart.

That is a cut and paste.
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walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a
very
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broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them
Wal-Mart
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in
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service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will
build
it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives,
etc.
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don't
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exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote
every
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time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices
and
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limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to
constantly
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attack
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people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance
even
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to
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get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
I love it when you start putting words in my mouth to argue against.
It's
a
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sure sign you know you can't debate what I actually said.
Thanks for your concession. Pleasure debating you again. See ya
next
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time
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:-).
You posted at the top that San Diego bans SuperCenters. You
supported
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that decision.
San Diego did not ban Wal-Mart. Read the article again.
Re: San Diego bans SuperCenters
That is Wal-Mart and stop trying to be super-cute.
San Diego vs. Wal-Mart.
That is a cut and paste.
Sure. Wal-Mart prefers that its stores be larger than 90,000 square feet.
San Diego prefers stores inside its limit not be larger than 90,000 square
feet.

That's like saying that prohibiting smoking inside a building is banning
smokers from ever entering the building. It's a definite case of the
building owners vs. smokers, but the building owners have not banned
smokers. Hopefully that's a distinction you're capable of comprehending,
but I don't assume so.
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-08 15:41:18 UTC
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Why is it ok for you to advocate denying consumers the choice
of
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walkable
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shopping, but it is not ok for officials responsible for a
very
broad
range of issues in addition to consumer choice to deny them
Wal-Mart
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in
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service of those issues?
If the market wants "the choice of walkable shopping," it will
build
it --
even if special permits, variances, tax breaks, incentives, etc.
don't
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exist.
Correct. But people have voted with their feet and they vote
every
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time
they shop at Wal-Mart and NOT at a local store with high prices
and
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limited
choice.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't feel the need to
constantly
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attack
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people with an alternate viewpoint.
Your so-called alternate is to make sure no one has the chance even
to
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get
near Wal-Mart. That is not choice: it is the opposite.
I love it when you start putting words in my mouth to argue against.
It's
a
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sure sign you know you can't debate what I actually said.
Thanks for your concession. Pleasure debating you again. See ya next
time
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:-).
You posted at the top that San Diego bans SuperCenters. You
supported
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that decision.
San Diego did not ban Wal-Mart. Read the article again.
Re: San Diego bans SuperCenters
That is Wal-Mart and stop trying to be super-cute.
And you call ME poorly read. Someone gives you an actual link and you can't
even read it with comprehension.
Tadej Brezina
2006-12-14 12:28:39 UTC
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Wal-Mart, above all, has great choice.
Anyone think the Board of Trustees for George's University is interesting?
http://tinyurl.com/yanqtv
Hahaha, bingo!
At least they have got them an avid supporter within the faculty!
Does anybody know the film "Walmart, the high cost of low prizes"?

Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
Tadej Brezina
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All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the least. It
is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up correctly in this
case) as dispensable?
Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
George Conklin
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All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the least.
It
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is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up correctly in this
case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners. Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond some
theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you prove.
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Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-07 15:33:25 UTC
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All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the least.
It
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is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up correctly in
this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners. Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond some
theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you prove.
People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you think that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be implemented is
a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than business.
George Conklin
2006-12-07 16:18:08 UTC
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All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the least.
It
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is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up correctly in
this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners. Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond some
theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you prove.
People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you think that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be implemented is
a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than business.
It is the academics who are against choice these days. Businessmen want to
freedom to build what sells. Planners have always hated that. I am glad
you support the right of Queens to dictate what people do. Does that make
you feel more elitist? More important than your lowly status other demands?
Amy Blankenship
2006-12-07 16:57:28 UTC
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It
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is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up correctly
in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners.
Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond some
theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you think that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be implemented
is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than business.
It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Businessmen want to
freedom to build what sells. Planners have always hated that.
Do you honestly think that successful businesses don't have a plan?
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I am glad
you support the right of Queens to dictate what people do.
Actually, I think Queens tend to be very creative people and have an amazing
sense of style. But by and large they're not about dictating what people
do, as long as people aren't trying to take away their right to large
quantities of sequins.

I'm not sure that questioning your persistent view that no one should ever
plan translates to support of men in drag.
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Does that make
you feel more elitist? More important than your lowly status other demands?
Sure. Advocacy for cross dressers is a well known mechanism for lifting
self-esteem in the lowly. :-)

You really do make this too easy, George.
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All this will do is raise prices for those who can afford it the
least.
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It
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is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up correctly
in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners.
Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond some
theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you think that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be implemented
is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than business.
It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by you as
"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
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is another misuse of zoning
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up
correctly
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in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners.
Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond
some
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theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you think that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be
implemented
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is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than business.
It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by you as
"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this group
before:

George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.

You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
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It
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is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up
correctly
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in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
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Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond
some
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theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you
think
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that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be
implemented
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is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than business.
It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by you as
"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this group
George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.
You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
Who cares what you own. You just have proven once again you are poorly
read, but love the fixed ideology of pseudo-elitism.
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is another misuse of zoning
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up
correctly
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in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
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Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond
some
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theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you
think
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that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be
implemented
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is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than
business.
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It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by you as
"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this group
George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.
You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
Who cares what you own. You just have proven once again you are poorly
read, but love the fixed ideology of pseudo-elitism.
LOL. The point being that I am a business person and have been in the
business world for many years. You are a college professor. Therefore, if
only one of us is an academic, it's not me ;-).

Shame you have such difficulties understanding simple logic. Must prove
crippling when you're charged to educate others.
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is another misuse of zoning
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up
correctly
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in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners.
Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond
some
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theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you
think
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that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be
implemented
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is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than
business.
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It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by you as
"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this group
George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.
You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
Who cares what you own. You just have proven once again you are poorly
read, but love the fixed ideology of pseudo-elitism.
LOL. The point being that I am a business person and have been in the
business world for many years. You are a college professor. Therefore, if
only one of us is an academic, it's not me ;-).
Being in business is not excuse for being poorly-read, especially since
your comic book positions are so well known and better expressed by most
others. Your so-called logic is actually illogic. You call "choice"
banning Wal-Mart. The more you ban, you argue, the more choice there is.
Now that is what you call logic. And you expect anyone to believe you?
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is another misuse of zoning
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up
correctly
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in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners.
Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding
beyond
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some
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theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that you
think
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that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be
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is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than
business.
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It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by you
as
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"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this group
George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.
You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
Who cares what you own. You just have proven once again you are poorly
read, but love the fixed ideology of pseudo-elitism.
LOL. The point being that I am a business person and have been in the
business world for many years. You are a college professor. Therefore,
if
Post by Amy Blankenship
only one of us is an academic, it's not me ;-).
Being in business is not excuse for being poorly-read, especially since
your comic book positions are so well known and better expressed by most
others.
If I'm so poorly read, how is it that I'm the one who usually posts
scholarly and other references to back up her position, and when you bother
to back up your position, it's with more junk from your excuse for a
magazine that expresses your personal bias anyway? I think the long history
of your being completely unable to even consider that someone else could
look at the same facts and come to a different conclusion shows who exactly
should be in a comic book. It's a very poor trait in someone charged with
educating the next generation.
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Your so-called logic is actually illogic. You call "choice"
banning Wal-Mart. The more you ban, you argue, the more choice there is.
Now that is what you call logic. And you expect anyone to believe you?
My "choice" is saying that communities should be able to decide for
themselves on the basis of their own goals and principles what businesses
they do and don't want. Not you, and not me (except in the case where it is
a community we are part of of course).

Again, I appreciate the concession you've made by putting words in my mouth
to argue against. See ya next time round.

Have a nice day;

Amy
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is another misuse of zoning
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
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Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up
correctly
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in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
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planners.
Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding
beyond
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some
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theoretical limit of that time. Some things never
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think
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that
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It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by you
as
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"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this group
George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.
You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
Who cares what you own. You just have proven once again you are poorly
read, but love the fixed ideology of pseudo-elitism.
LOL. The point being that I am a business person and have been in the
business world for many years. You are a college professor.
Therefore,
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if
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only one of us is an academic, it's not me ;-).
Being in business is not excuse for being poorly-read, especially since
your comic book positions are so well known and better expressed by most
others.
If I'm so poorly read, how is it that I'm the one who usually posts
scholarly and other references to back up her position,
In fact you simply state over and over again that choice is only what
government chooses to give you.



and when you bother
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to back up your position, it's with more junk from your excuse for a
magazine
Sorry for your narrow views. I suggest you look a the bibliographies of
the articles. It is not a magazine. It is a journal.


that expresses your personal bias anyway?

Why don't you write to the authors and express yourself?

I think the long history
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of your being completely unable to even consider that someone else could
look at the same facts
Your problem is that you are used to everyone feeling they have to agree
with you or you will fire them.


and come to a different conclusion shows who exactly
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should be in a comic book. It's a very poor trait in someone charged with
educating the next generation.
Choice to you is not choice at all. It is what you can get banned and the
subsidies you can get for yourself.
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Your so-called logic is actually illogic. You call "choice"
banning Wal-Mart. The more you ban, you argue, the more choice there is.
Now that is what you call logic. And you expect anyone to believe you?
My "choice" is saying that communities should be able to decide for
themselves on the basis of their own goals and principles what businesses
they do and don't want.
This is classic Stalinism.

Not you, and not me (except in the case where it is
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a community we are part of of course).
What you fear is that people as a whole love to shop at Wal-Mart. You
wish to state that the average person is wrong, and it up to you, and your
arrogance, to decide for them what is best for them. You lie about that and
call it 'community.' Your fear is of the average person while you try to
become a self-appointed moralist. You fear people will shop at Wal-Mart so
you want it banned as 'community.'
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2006-12-08 15:54:51 UTC
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All this will do is raise prices for those who can
afford
it
the
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least.
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It
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is another misuse of zoning
What is your concept of right use of zoning?
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to keep out competition from the marketplace in
order to meet so-called land use goals.
Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set
up
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correctly
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in
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this
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case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from
planners.
Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding
beyond
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some
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theoretical limit of that time. Some things never
change...as
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you
prove.
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People who plan are always planners. I think the fact that
you
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think
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that
any plan developed by any person who plans shouldn't ever be
implemented
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is
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a very good testament to why you're in academia rather than
business.
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It is the academics who are against choice these days.
Yes, you are. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wrong again. Just becuase your forced choice is described by
you
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as
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"choice," only shows how you lie with words.
For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this
group
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George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.
You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
Who cares what you own. You just have proven once again you are
poorly
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read, but love the fixed ideology of pseudo-elitism.
LOL. The point being that I am a business person and have been in the
business world for many years. You are a college professor.
Therefore,
Post by Amy Blankenship
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if
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only one of us is an academic, it's not me ;-).
Being in business is not excuse for being poorly-read, especially
since
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your comic book positions are so well known and better expressed by most
others.
If I'm so poorly read, how is it that I'm the one who usually posts
scholarly and other references to back up her position,
In fact you simply state over and over again that choice is only what
government chooses to give you.
Huh? Could you please provide some quotes from me that say that?
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and when you bother
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to back up your position, it's with more junk from your excuse for a
magazine
Sorry for your narrow views. I suggest you look a the bibliographies of
the articles. It is not a magazine. It is a journal.
It is crap. Articles say they're going to cover information in the intro
that they never cover, conclusions conclude things that were never mentioned
in the body, and many are fiddled with grammatical errors and obvious errors
of fact. That has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with the
substance of the article.
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that expresses your personal bias anyway?
Why don't you write to the authors and express yourself?
Because they aren't posting here. You are.
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I think the long history
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of your being completely unable to even consider that someone else could
look at the same facts
Your problem is that you are used to everyone feeling they have to agree
with you or you will fire them.
Just because I have a business does not mean I have employees. I work for
myself, in partnership with my husband. While we have gotten really heated
over technical issues in software we're working on, I've never even
considered firing him over it.
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and come to a different conclusion shows who exactly
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should be in a comic book. It's a very poor trait in someone charged with
educating the next generation.
Choice to you is not choice at all. It is what you can get banned and the
subsidies you can get for yourself.
You parrot back exactly what you've said before. This exactly proves what I
said :-).
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Your so-called logic is actually illogic. You call "choice"
banning Wal-Mart. The more you ban, you argue, the more choice there
is.
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Now that is what you call logic. And you expect anyone to believe you?
My "choice" is saying that communities should be able to decide for
themselves on the basis of their own goals and principles what businesses
they do and don't want.
This is classic Stalinism.
Communities decide all kinds of things. It's why there's no lead in
gasoline. It's why if you try to rape someone you know you'll be punished
if you get caught.
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Not you, and not me (except in the case where it is
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a community we are part of of course).
What you fear is that people as a whole love to shop at Wal-Mart. You
wish to state that the average person is wrong, and it up to you, and your
arrogance, to decide for them what is best for them. You lie about that and
call it 'community.' Your fear is of the average person while you try to
become a self-appointed moralist. You fear people will shop at Wal-Mart so
you want it banned as 'community.'
You seem to fear allowing communities to decide for themselves what they
want. I wonder how much Wal-Mart contributes to your university. Seems
you're getting money from them somehow.
Tadej Brezina
2006-12-12 07:08:58 UTC
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For the benefit of those reading this who haven't followed this group
George is a college professor
I own my own multimedia business.
You decide who's the academic in this discussion and who's not...
Oh wow.
George do you behave like you do here, when you teach?
Weak efforts to personally insult people who are questioning simple world views
and you claiming to be THE ONE here to be well read
Ist that your understanding of knowledge obtainment and dissemination and of
academic discourse?
And how does your subliminal hatred against all kinds elites - which come handy
during your arguments - fit into this picture?

regards
Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
Tadej Brezina
2006-12-12 07:22:19 UTC
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It is the academics who are against choice these days. Businessmen want to
freedom to build what sells. Planners have always hated that. I am glad
you support the right of Queens to dictate what people do. Does that make
you feel more elitist? More important than your lowly status other demands?
Does the simple fact of natural evolution, that there are differences between
species members, that there are differences in knowledge, intelligence,
abilities, money of course, interest and care for wider perspective views
provide you discomfort?
Does "what sells" cater for what's necessary to provide the highest possible
quality of life for all of the people?
How does the shortlived perspective of businesses in a biased economical system,
where the negative impacts are handled over to be carried by the public instead
of being included into the market mechanisms, fit into the necessity of a long
term balanced household of natural ressources?

regards
Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
Tadej Brezina
2006-12-12 07:11:10 UTC
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Do you consider land-use goals (no matter if they are set up correctly in
this case) as dispensable?
Land use goals are always the same when they come from planners. Even
Queen Elizabeth I (yes 1600s) was against London expanding beyond some
theoretical limit of that time. Some things never change...as you prove.
According to your obvious inability to answer a simple question, I take your
rant as a no!
Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
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