Discussion:
Maybe Mr. Cool is right
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Pat
2007-04-20 17:48:49 UTC
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Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.

It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".

This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.

The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.

http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y

I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer. www.senecaalleganycasino.com

But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
George Conklin
2007-04-20 18:23:08 UTC
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Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
Pat
2007-04-20 21:03:47 UTC
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Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
You completely missed the point by jumping to your conclusion without
really reading the OP.

I'm not talking about crime -- didn't mention it. I'm talking about
violence.

Secondly, I'm talking about a very possible situation in a very small
area. If all heck breaks loose, there will be a lot of unfortunate
violence in a very rural area -- and it'll happen regardless of what
the statistics show. You might say that the crime rate is low, but
that wouldn't matter much if you were caught in the middle of an
Indian uprising and people are shooting at you. Standing between the
two sides and shouting "but you have a low crime rate" won't stop bad
things from happening. Besides, the violence wouldn't necessarily be
a crime.

I am praying that Mr. Cool isn't right. But for a small area and for
a short amount of time, he might be ... and that would be very, very
bad.
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-20 21:51:39 UTC
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Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
You completely missed the point by jumping to your conclusion without
really reading the OP.
I'm not talking about crime -- didn't mention it. I'm talking about
violence.
Secondly, I'm talking about a very possible situation in a very small
area. If all heck breaks loose, there will be a lot of unfortunate
violence in a very rural area -- and it'll happen regardless of what
the statistics show. You might say that the crime rate is low, but
that wouldn't matter much if you were caught in the middle of an
Indian uprising and people are shooting at you. Standing between the
two sides and shouting "but you have a low crime rate" won't stop bad
things from happening. Besides, the violence wouldn't necessarily be
a crime.
I am praying that Mr. Cool isn't right. But for a small area and for
a short amount of time, he might be ... and that would be very, very
bad.
I'm interested to know...are the Indians still getting food trucked in from
off the reservation, or has that been cut off?

BTW, squirrels and deer will tell you there's a lot of violence in rural
areas...
Pat
2007-04-20 23:51:44 UTC
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On Apr 20, 5:51 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
You completely missed the point by jumping to your conclusion without
really reading the OP.
I'm not talking about crime -- didn't mention it. I'm talking about
violence.
Secondly, I'm talking about a very possible situation in a very small
area. If all heck breaks loose, there will be a lot of unfortunate
violence in a very rural area -- and it'll happen regardless of what
the statistics show. You might say that the crime rate is low, but
that wouldn't matter much if you were caught in the middle of an
Indian uprising and people are shooting at you. Standing between the
two sides and shouting "but you have a low crime rate" won't stop bad
things from happening. Besides, the violence wouldn't necessarily be
a crime.
I am praying that Mr. Cool isn't right. But for a small area and for
a short amount of time, he might be ... and that would be very, very
bad.
I'm interested to know...are the Indians still getting food trucked in from
off the reservation, or has that been cut off?
BTW, squirrels and deer will tell you there's a lot of violence in rural
areas...
Right now, everything is normal and it probably will stay that way.
The grocery stores remain well stocked and the trucks are still
rolling. But I'm not too worried about food, there are grocery stores
in surrounding communities. If things get too bad, there will be lots
of smuggling of food. Besides, there are deer in the woods and fish
in the river if things get too bad.

http://www.salamancapress.com/site/tab1.asp?brd=2725
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-21 01:40:43 UTC
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Post by Pat
On Apr 20, 5:51 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
You completely missed the point by jumping to your conclusion without
really reading the OP.
I'm not talking about crime -- didn't mention it. I'm talking about
violence.
Secondly, I'm talking about a very possible situation in a very small
area. If all heck breaks loose, there will be a lot of unfortunate
violence in a very rural area -- and it'll happen regardless of what
the statistics show. You might say that the crime rate is low, but
that wouldn't matter much if you were caught in the middle of an
Indian uprising and people are shooting at you. Standing between the
two sides and shouting "but you have a low crime rate" won't stop bad
things from happening. Besides, the violence wouldn't necessarily be
a crime.
I am praying that Mr. Cool isn't right. But for a small area and for
a short amount of time, he might be ... and that would be very, very
bad.
I'm interested to know...are the Indians still getting food trucked in from
off the reservation, or has that been cut off?
BTW, squirrels and deer will tell you there's a lot of violence in rural
areas...
Right now, everything is normal and it probably will stay that way.
The grocery stores remain well stocked and the trucks are still
rolling. But I'm not too worried about food, there are grocery stores
in surrounding communities. If things get too bad, there will be lots
of smuggling of food. Besides, there are deer in the woods and fish
in the river if things get too bad.
I'm not asking about YOUR stores. I'm asking about the stores where the
Indians shop.
Pat
2007-04-21 04:02:30 UTC
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On Apr 20, 9:40 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On Apr 20, 5:51 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
You completely missed the point by jumping to your conclusion without
really reading the OP.
I'm not talking about crime -- didn't mention it. I'm talking about
violence.
Secondly, I'm talking about a very possible situation in a very small
area. If all heck breaks loose, there will be a lot of unfortunate
violence in a very rural area -- and it'll happen regardless of what
the statistics show. You might say that the crime rate is low, but
that wouldn't matter much if you were caught in the middle of an
Indian uprising and people are shooting at you. Standing between the
two sides and shouting "but you have a low crime rate" won't stop bad
things from happening. Besides, the violence wouldn't necessarily be
a crime.
I am praying that Mr. Cool isn't right. But for a small area and for
a short amount of time, he might be ... and that would be very, very
bad.
I'm interested to know...are the Indians still getting food trucked in from
off the reservation, or has that been cut off?
BTW, squirrels and deer will tell you there's a lot of violence in rural
areas...
Right now, everything is normal and it probably will stay that way.
The grocery stores remain well stocked and the trucks are still
rolling. But I'm not too worried about food, there are grocery stores
in surrounding communities. If things get too bad, there will be lots
of smuggling of food. Besides, there are deer in the woods and fish
in the river if things get too bad.
I'm not asking about YOUR stores. I'm asking about the stores where the
Indians shop.
Same stores. On the Rez out here, there are two grocery stores in the
community and both are on the Rez. All of the surrounding off-Rez
communities have stores.

Up on the other Rez, there aren't too many stores on the Rez -- mostly
convenience-type stores. Most of the shopping there is off-Rez: but
there are lots of deer and fish on the Rez if that counts.
George Conklin
2007-04-21 00:14:51 UTC
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Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
You completely missed the point by jumping to your conclusion without
really reading the OP.
I'm not talking about crime -- didn't mention it. I'm talking about
violence.
Violent crime is part of the index.
Pat
2007-04-21 04:15:15 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
Statistics show someone's interpretation of the past -- usually over
disparate areas -- when people only really care about their own area
in the future when it comes to things like violence.
It is usually quite peaceful and and serene out here, but every once
in a while s**t happens such as last year when the area just to the
west of us was in a near police-state as the NYS Troopers were
searching for Bucky Phillips. They finally captured him when NYS sent
a small invasionary force of about 350 troopers into Pennsylvania when
the PA troopers had him "cornered".
This summer, it looks like tire burnings and roadway interuptions
might be the order of the day -- at least to the north west right near
the same area that just had the brunt of the Phillips lock-down.
The Gov is tangling with the Senecas. Pataki tried that and lost
quite spectacularly. I guess it's a new Gov and a new attempt.
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/57227.html?imw=Y
I doubt if much will happen around here because the Nation wants the
casino to keep going. It's a major employer.
www.senecaalleganycasino.com
Post by Pat
But for a small, rural area there might be some violence that
statistically exceeds anything cities often see. Let's just hope it
all blows over. I remember the last uprising about 15 or 16 years
ago. A big part of that was down here. The expressway was closed.
There were constant tire-burnings. There was a line of troopers in
the few hundred yards between me and the Rez. But life went on.
Let's pray that this all gets worked out without violence.
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by Pat
Post by Pat
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
You completely missed the point by jumping to your conclusion without
really reading the OP.
I'm not talking about crime -- didn't mention it. I'm talking about
violence.
Violent crime is part of the index.
First off, I'm not talking about crime. I'll type slowly so you can
read it: I am not talking about crime. It might be violence but it
might not be a crime.

Second off, some infraction here are sent over to Peacemaker's Court.
That doesn't show up in any reports.

Third off, your beloved statistics are only valid if all of the
reporting is consistant. I am willing to be that certain crimes have
a higher incident of "paperwork" in some areas than in others. It
probably under-reports crimes in "ethnic" neighborhoods because the
cops don't want to bothered with ehe paperwork.

Finally, take the Seneca situation. Trespass is a crime. But "the
establishment" is not reporting the crime and there is no paperwork.
So it is seriously unreporting the crimes against this group of
minorities.

My point is that you can put too much faith in statistics because
statistics are not 100% accurate.
Baxter
2007-04-21 01:01:53 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over time
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?

Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
than:
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Clark F Morris
2007-04-21 15:00:31 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-21 17:45:33 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities. I think this is just a phase or whatever it
just happens. But what I do think is its not a good idea leaving the
city because of some violence and isolate the
violence/crime by itself and letting the city go to the dogs.
George Conklin
2007-04-21 18:30:42 UTC
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Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese and
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-21 20:55:24 UTC
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
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time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
main
Post by Baxter
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Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese and
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
Pat
2007-04-22 01:13:19 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
main
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese and
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
Actually, I said in other posts that I though rural areas have the
least crime and violance. However, in this one instance it might make
you right because there might be a lot of violence in one small
geographic area for a short duration.

I also think that many of the poster here confuse violence with
crime. They are not synonomous. If it happens there will be
violence, but I think that many people will not consider it a crime.

I think that everyone is hoping for a negotiated settlement -- except
for Amy. She wants a loooonnng seige just to show how unprepared we
are for getting food and water into an area ;-)
George Conklin
2007-04-23 21:19:49 UTC
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Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese and
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-04-23 22:09:03 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done
constantly
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of
the
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese
and
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
Why would that make a difference Georgie? You always talk about
things you know nothing about.


Randy
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-24 00:55:54 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done
constantly
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of
the
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese
and
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
It would help if you gave what I said a chance. Pat thought that I
think rual areas have more crime
then cities but I DONT SO I WAS JUST STATING IT! I come from a private
school were every teacher there
has a PHD and my Brother is currently going to Depaul University in
Chicago to study Urban Planning so Im pretty dam sure I have enough
influnces to at least say I know what I am talking about. As far as Im
concerend your a conservative
white ass who gives crap about diversity and culture. Listin to what
other people are saying. Are you sure YOU know what your talking
about? This article is called "Maybe Mr.Cool IS right".
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-04-24 01:14:47 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
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Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done
constantly
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of
the
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese
and
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
It would help if you gave what I said a chance. Pat thought that I
think rual areas have more crime
then cities but I DONT SO I WAS JUST STATING IT! I come from a private
school were every teacher there
has a PHD and my Brother is currently going to Depaul University in
Chicago to study Urban Planning so Im pretty dam sure I have enough
influnces to at least say I know what I am talking about. As far as Im
concerend your a conservative
white ass who gives crap about diversity and culture. Listin to what
other people are saying. Are you sure YOU know what your talking
about? This article is called "Maybe Mr.Cool IS right".
Please, lets not start assuming or name calling, ok. Rural and urban
both have problems Crime stats are funny things.
Like I said about homicide rates, they are based on 100,000 pop and
NYC had a lot of homicides, but because of its huge pop it has a low
rate.

Again, I advise you to please slow down. You seem to be a person in a
great hurry.


Take care, Randy
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-24 02:05:53 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done
constantly
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of
the
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese
and
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
It would help if you gave what I said a chance. Pat thought that I
think rual areas have more crime
then cities but I DONT SO I WAS JUST STATING IT! I come from a private
school were every teacher there
has a PHD and my Brother is currently going to Depaul University in
Chicago to study Urban Planning so Im pretty dam sure I have enough
influnces to at least say I know what I am talking about. As far as Im
concerend your a conservative
white ass who gives crap about diversity and culture. Listin to what
other people are saying. Are you sure YOU know what your talking
about? This article is called "Maybe Mr.Cool IS right".
Please, lets not start assuming or name calling, ok. Rural and urban
both have problems Crime stats are funny things.
Like I said about homicide rates, they are based on 100,000 pop and
NYC had a lot of homicides, but because of its huge pop it has a low
rate.
Again, I advise you to please slow down. You seem to be a person in a
great hurry.
Take care, Randy
Yea, I mean I realize that with people who live in closer proximity
theres most of the time going to be more crime, but that doesent mean
abondon the city and
skip to the suburbs.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-04-24 02:26:00 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Yea, I mean I realize that with people who live in closer proximity
theres most of the time going to be more crime, but that doesent mean
abondon the city and
skip to the suburbs.
With all due respect, you generalize almost as much as Conkie. No one
is abandoning anything. I doubt if anyone is even considering it,
considering the costs of everything.

What I am trying to explain to you is there are problems everywhere,
cities, older inner ring suburbs, newer suburbs, exurbia, and rural
area. Now lets go from there.

This runs the gamut from older housing in cities to zoning
restrictions in exurbia.

You cannot put all of this in one pot. I don't know exactly where you
are, but if you study the decline of one neighborhood, and see how it
is faring today, you would learn a lot. Consider everything from the
age of the housing, to the existing ethnic makeup of the population.
Consider their incomes. Now consider the schools, the economic makeup
of the area.. Then consider why it is the way it is.

Take care, Randy in S Dade, FL
Pat
2007-04-24 14:59:38 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 8:55 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done
constantly
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of
the
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese
and
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
It would help if you gave what I said a chance. Pat thought that I
think rual areas have more crime
then cities but I DONT SO I WAS JUST STATING IT! I come from a private
school were every teacher there
has a PHD and my Brother is currently going to Depaul University in
Chicago to study Urban Planning so Im pretty dam sure I have enough
influnces to at least say I know what I am talking about. As far as Im
concerend your a conservative
white ass who gives crap about diversity and culture. Listin to what
other people are saying. Are you sure YOU know what your talking
about? This article is called "Maybe Mr.Cool IS right".
Please, lets not start assuming or name calling, ok. Rural and urban
both have problems Crime stats are funny things.
Like I said about homicide rates, they are based on 100,000 pop and
NYC had a lot of homicides, but because of its huge pop it has a low
rate.
Again, I advise you to please slow down. You seem to be a person in a
great hurry.
Take care, Randy
Yea, I mean I realize that with people who live in closer proximity
theres most of the time going to be more crime, but that doesent mean
abondon the city and
skip to the suburbs.
Kid, you've got some spunk. But you also have thinks that you need to
address but you probably can't because you don't have the experience
that you need. I don't want to be condesending but I would like to
offer you some suggestions.

First off, you love your city and your lifestyle. That's great and
it's great your parents can afford to provide that lifestyle. Private
schools, nice neighborhoods, that's all great. But that's not how
most of the people live. Thing about why you go to private school.
It's because your public school isn't that good. If it was, you'd go
there. Most of the people in your city don't have that luxury. Your
city and their city are very different cities.

One could contend that your lifestyle would be good whereever you
live, including the burbs, if you can afford a good private school.
You should examine if you like the city or if you like the affluence.
Maybe you just don't like the middle-classness of the suburbs.

You parents have given you a good life but that doesn't mean that you
will maintain that lifestyle. Probably you will but maybe you won't.
Say you become a planner or a doctor or whatever then you realize that
most of those types of jobs are in the burbs.

Finally, summer is coming. Instead of taking it off, maybe you should
see how the other side lives. There are plenty of fine anti-poverty
groups in your city and see the problems and issues that you don't
see: poverty, nutrition, housing, drugs, STDs, etc. Why not go
volunteer to work for one for the summer. (Unfortunately, your
parents will likely veto the idea because they know what you'll be
dealing with and don't want to expose you to it). Look around, you
might find something interesting like:
http://www.city.milwaukee.gov/NeighborhoodHousingS10697.htm
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-25 21:37:37 UTC
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Post by Pat
On Apr 23, 10:05 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 8:55 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done
constantly
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Post by George Conklin
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of
the
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese
and
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
It would help if you gave what I said a chance. Pat thought that I
think rual areas have more crime
then cities but I DONT SO I WAS JUST STATING IT! I come from a private
school were every teacher there
has a PHD and my Brother is currently going to Depaul University in
Chicago to study Urban Planning so Im pretty dam sure I have enough
influnces to at least say I know what I am talking about. As far as Im
concerend your a conservative
white ass who gives crap about diversity and culture. Listin to what
other people are saying. Are you sure YOU know what your talking
about? This article is called "Maybe Mr.Cool IS right".
Please, lets not start assuming or name calling, ok. Rural and urban
both have problems Crime stats are funny things.
Like I said about homicide rates, they are based on 100,000 pop and
NYC had a lot of homicides, but because of its huge pop it has a low
rate.
Again, I advise you to please slow down. You seem to be a person in a
great hurry.
Take care, Randy
Yea, I mean I realize that with people who live in closer proximity
theres most of the time going to be more crime, but that doesent mean
abondon the city and
skip to the suburbs.
Kid, you've got some spunk. But you also have thinks that you need to
address but you probably can't because you don't have the experience
that you need. I don't want to be condesending but I would like to
offer you some suggestions.
First off, you love your city and your lifestyle. That's great and
it's great your parents can afford to provide that lifestyle. Private
schools, nice neighborhoods, that's all great. But that's not how
most of the people live. Thing about why you go to private school.
It's because your public school isn't that good. If it was, you'd go
there. Most of the people in your city don't have that luxury. Your
city and their city are very different cities.
One could contend that your lifestyle would be good whereever you
live, including the burbs, if you can afford a good private school.
You should examine if you like the city or if you like the affluence.
Maybe you just don't like the middle-classness of the suburbs.
You parents have given you a good life but that doesn't mean that you
will maintain that lifestyle. Probably you will but maybe you won't.
Say you become a planner or a doctor or whatever then you realize that
most of those types of jobs are in the burbs.
Finally, summer is coming. Instead of taking it off, maybe you should
see how the other side lives. There are plenty of fine anti-poverty
groups in your city and see the problems and issues that you don't
see: poverty, nutrition, housing, drugs, STDs, etc. Why not go
volunteer to work for one for the summer. (Unfortunately, your
parents will likely veto the idea because they know what you'll be
dealing with and don't want to expose you to it). Look around, you
might find something interesting like:http://www.city.milwaukee.gov/NeighborhoodHousingS10697.htm
I commend you for these suggetions, and I realize my flaws in judging
people
on how they live. I do still have my opions on why Suburbs effect one
but ill hold off until they
come up again another time.
Pat
2007-04-26 15:45:27 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On Apr 23, 10:05 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 8:55 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done
constantly
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Post by George Conklin
over
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of
the
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
main
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities.
Who cares what you think. You can post the moon is made of green cheese
and
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
you would expect the rest of us to believe it, you fool.
Well Pat implied that I thought there was more violence in rual areas/
suburbs then in the city, but I don't think that. So I was just
stating it. Shesh it seems like anytime I try to say somthing people
jump on me!
For once I was talking about a way the the suburbs/rual areas are
better then the city and you still pounce on me? I am getting kinda of
sick of this.
It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
It would help if you gave what I said a chance. Pat thought that I
think rual areas have more crime
then cities but I DONT SO I WAS JUST STATING IT! I come from a private
school were every teacher there
has a PHD and my Brother is currently going to Depaul University in
Chicago to study Urban Planning so Im pretty dam sure I have enough
influnces to at least say I know what I am talking about. As far as Im
concerend your a conservative
white ass who gives crap about diversity and culture. Listin to what
other people are saying. Are you sure YOU know what your talking
about? This article is called "Maybe Mr.Cool IS right".
Please, lets not start assuming or name calling, ok. Rural and urban
both have problems Crime stats are funny things.
Like I said about homicide rates, they are based on 100,000 pop and
NYC had a lot of homicides, but because of its huge pop it has a low
rate.
Again, I advise you to please slow down. You seem to be a person in a
great hurry.
Take care, Randy
Yea, I mean I realize that with people who live in closer proximity
theres most of the time going to be more crime, but that doesent mean
abondon the city and
skip to the suburbs.
Kid, you've got some spunk. But you also have thinks that you need to
address but you probably can't because you don't have the experience
that you need. I don't want to be condesending but I would like to
offer you some suggestions.
First off, you love your city and your lifestyle. That's great and
it's great your parents can afford to provide that lifestyle. Private
schools, nice neighborhoods, that's all great. But that's not how
most of the people live. Thing about why you go to private school.
It's because your public school isn't that good. If it was, you'd go
there. Most of the people in your city don't have that luxury. Your
city and their city are very different cities.
One could contend that your lifestyle would be good whereever you
live, including the burbs, if you can afford a good private school.
You should examine if you like the city or if you like the affluence.
Maybe you just don't like the middle-classness of the suburbs.
You parents have given you a good life but that doesn't mean that you
will maintain that lifestyle. Probably you will but maybe you won't.
Say you become a planner or a doctor or whatever then you realize that
most of those types of jobs are in the burbs.
Finally, summer is coming. Instead of taking it off, maybe you should
see how the other side lives. There are plenty of fine anti-poverty
groups in your city and see the problems and issues that you don't
see: poverty, nutrition, housing, drugs, STDs, etc. Why not go
volunteer to work for one for the summer. (Unfortunately, your
parents will likely veto the idea because they know what you'll be
dealing with and don't want to expose you to it). Look around, you
might find something interesting like:http://www.city.milwaukee.gov/NeighborhoodHousingS10697.htm
I commend you for these suggetions, and I realize my flaws in judging
people
on how they live. I do still have my opions on why Suburbs effect one
but ill hold off until they
come up again another time.
... but I'm serious about helping out a not-for-profit. You'll learn
more than you could ever imagine....
Pat
2007-04-21 18:52:47 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Clark F Morris
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Okay people so I thank Pat for noticing these statistics but I
honestly do not think that there is more vilence in the suburbs/rual
areas then the cities. I think this is just a phase or whatever it
just happens. But what I do think is its not a good idea leaving the
city because of some violence and isolate the
violence/crime by itself and letting the city go to the dogs.
Tell you what. Come on out and visit. I'll show you house after
house; car after car that isn't locked. I'll show you people who
leave keys in the ignition of cars (so they don't lose them).

Leave keys in the switch here and no one will care. In most areas of
most cities, I would imagine the car would be there long.
George Conklin
2007-04-21 18:29:42 UTC
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
I suggest you visit standard refereed journals for proper analysis by those
who know what they are doing.
Pat
2007-04-21 19:08:39 UTC
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total

remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-21 20:57:22 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I think that Compton,CA(a suburb) is a good example about how any
geographical area
can me crime/violence riden.
Clark F Morris
2007-04-24 00:13:27 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels. Period.
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
George Conklin
2007-04-24 20:28:57 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly over
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the main
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is *smaller*
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-24 21:26:32 UTC
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Post by Clark F Morris
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Post by Clark F Morris
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
That only works when the people you leave it to are neither biased nor
incompetent. When the "professionals" can't be trusted, you just have to do
the homework yourself.
George Conklin
2007-04-24 23:05:03 UTC
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...
Post by George Conklin
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
That only works when the people you leave it to are neither biased nor
incompetent. When the "professionals" can't be trusted, you just have to do
the homework yourself.
You don't have the skills to do anything but make a fool out of yourself.
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2007-04-25 02:54:31 UTC
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Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was
frustrating.
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
That only works when the people you leave it to are neither biased nor
incompetent. When the "professionals" can't be trusted, you just have
to
Post by George Conklin
do
Post by Amy Blankenship
the homework yourself.
You don't have the skills to do anything but make a fool out of yourself.
Here Conklin concedes that Amy has him outclassed.
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-25 13:11:45 UTC
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...
Post by George Conklin
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some
fun
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire
states.
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get
the
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was
frustrating.
Post by George Conklin
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by George Conklin
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
That only works when the people you leave it to are neither biased nor
incompetent. When the "professionals" can't be trusted, you just have
to
Post by George Conklin
do
Post by Amy Blankenship
the homework yourself.
You don't have the skills to do anything but make a fool out of yourself.
Here Conklin concedes that Amy has him outclassed.
Oh, no. In the making a fool out of yourself department, I _completely_
cede the field to George!
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2007-04-26 02:19:34 UTC
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You don't have the skills to do anything but make a fool out of yourself.
Here Conklin concedes that Amy has him outclassed.
Oh, no. In the making a fool out of yourself department, I _completely_
cede the field to George!
For the record, that's sorta what I was trying to say.
Clark F Morris
2007-04-25 01:30:17 UTC
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
main
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Since you do this for a living, you probably know where to find the
information I am looking for. I agree that interpretation of the
numbers requires a fair amount of background knowledge. However from
what I have seen sociologists are like economists, if you laid them
end to end in a line from New York to Chicago, they still would point
in all directions (joke snitched from Readers Digest many years ago
and modified).
Pat
2007-04-26 15:43:42 UTC
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:28:57 GMT, "George Conklin"
Post by George Conklin
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Post by Clark F Morris
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Post by Clark F Morris
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
main
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Since you do this for a living, you probably know where to find the
information I am looking for. I agree that interpretation of the
numbers requires a fair amount of background knowledge. However from
what I have seen sociologists are like economists, if you laid them
end to end in a line from New York to Chicago, they still would point
in all directions (joke snitched from Readers Digest many years ago
and modified).
I thought you were going to use the old attorney joke: What do you
get if you have two sociologists/economists/lawyers up to their necks
in mud?





You get more mud!
george conklin
2007-04-27 11:06:29 UTC
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Post by Clark F Morris
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:28:57 GMT, "George Conklin"
Post by George Conklin
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Post by Clark F Morris
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
over
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Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
time
Post by George Conklin
and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
main
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by George Conklin
correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Baxter
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Since you do this for a living, you probably know where to find the
information I am looking for. I agree that interpretation of the
numbers requires a fair amount of background knowledge. However from
what I have seen sociologists are like economists, if you laid them
end to end in a line from New York to Chicago, they still would point
in all directions (joke snitched from Readers Digest many years ago
and modified).
I thought you were going to use the old attorney joke: What do you
get if you have two sociologists/economists/lawyers up to their necks
in mud?
You get more mud!
Long-term patterns are well established. Predicting the future is what the
disagreement is all about, as in the stock market. But no one disputes the
past prices by saying "I don't agree with the facts." Amy disputes the
facts out of ignorance.
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-27 14:47:24 UTC
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...
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was
frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Since you do this for a living, you probably know where to find the
information I am looking for. I agree that interpretation of the
numbers requires a fair amount of background knowledge. However from
what I have seen sociologists are like economists, if you laid them
end to end in a line from New York to Chicago, they still would point
in all directions (joke snitched from Readers Digest many years ago
and modified).
I thought you were going to use the old attorney joke: What do you
get if you have two sociologists/economists/lawyers up to their necks
in mud?
You get more mud!
Long-term patterns are well established. Predicting the future is what
the disagreement is all about, as in the stock market. But no one
disputes the past prices by saying "I don't agree with the facts." Amy
disputes the facts out of ignorance.
I think you need to read back over the thread and refresh your memory as to
what the conversation was. Whether or not I am ignorant, you can't even
keep track of a conversation you're taking part in (in writing no less!).
Why on _earth_ would anyone have any faith in your ability to analyze
statistics, since you clearly have very limited ability to keep multiple
pieces of information in your working memory in order to do any analysis
_with_?

-Amy
Clark F Morris
2007-04-27 15:57:27 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:47:24 -0500, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
...
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Since you do this for a living, you probably know where to find the
information I am looking for. I agree that interpretation of the
numbers requires a fair amount of background knowledge. However from
what I have seen sociologists are like economists, if you laid them
end to end in a line from New York to Chicago, they still would point
in all directions (joke snitched from Readers Digest many years ago
and modified).
I thought you were going to use the old attorney joke: What do you
get if you have two sociologists/economists/lawyers up to their necks
in mud?
You get more mud!
Long-term patterns are well established. Predicting the future is what
the disagreement is all about, as in the stock market. But no one
disputes the past prices by saying "I don't agree with the facts." Amy
disputes the facts out of ignorance.
I think you need to read back over the thread and refresh your memory as to
what the conversation was. Whether or not I am ignorant, you can't even
keep track of a conversation you're taking part in (in writing no less!).
Why on _earth_ would anyone have any faith in your ability to analyze
statistics, since you clearly have very limited ability to keep multiple
pieces of information in your working memory in order to do any analysis
_with_?
Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of over 8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Post by Amy Blankenship
-Amy
Clark
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-27 16:56:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clark F Morris
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:47:24 -0500, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
...
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have
some
fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Since you do this for a living, you probably know where to find the
information I am looking for. I agree that interpretation of the
numbers requires a fair amount of background knowledge. However from
what I have seen sociologists are like economists, if you laid them
end to end in a line from New York to Chicago, they still would point
in all directions (joke snitched from Readers Digest many years ago
and modified).
I thought you were going to use the old attorney joke: What do you
get if you have two sociologists/economists/lawyers up to their necks
in mud?
You get more mud!
Long-term patterns are well established. Predicting the future is what
the disagreement is all about, as in the stock market. But no one
disputes the past prices by saying "I don't agree with the facts." Amy
disputes the facts out of ignorance.
I think you need to read back over the thread and refresh your memory as to
what the conversation was. Whether or not I am ignorant, you can't even
keep track of a conversation you're taking part in (in writing no less!).
Why on _earth_ would anyone have any faith in your ability to analyze
statistics, since you clearly have very limited ability to keep multiple
pieces of information in your working memory in order to do any analysis
_with_?
Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of over 8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Yes, that was my point.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-27 21:04:32 UTC
Permalink
On Apr 27, 11:56 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Clark F Morris
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:47:24 -0500, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
...
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Pat
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by Baxter
Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have
some
fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Since you do this for a living, you probably know where to find the
information I am looking for. I agree that interpretation of the
numbers requires a fair amount of background knowledge. However from
what I have seen sociologists are like economists, if you laid them
end to end in a line from New York to Chicago, they still would point
in all directions (joke snitched from Readers Digest many years ago
and modified).
I thought you were going to use the old attorney joke: What do you
get if you have two sociologists/economists/lawyers up to their necks
in mud?
You get more mud!
Long-term patterns are well established. Predicting the future is what
the disagreement is all about, as in the stock market. But no one
disputes the past prices by saying "I don't agree with the facts." Amy
disputes the facts out of ignorance.
I think you need to read back over the thread and refresh your memory as to
what the conversation was. Whether or not I am ignorant, you can't even
keep track of a conversation you're taking part in (in writing no less!).
Why on _earth_ would anyone have any faith in your ability to analyze
statistics, since you clearly have very limited ability to keep multiple
pieces of information in your working memory in order to do any analysis
_with_?
Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of over 8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Yes, that was my point.
Yea sure but I think its pretty appernt that New York city
has more crime then North Carolina. Lets face it guys, cities have
more
crime then suburbs and rual areas. Its a well known fact.
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-27 22:42:53 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
On Apr 27, 11:56 am, "Amy Blankenship"
...
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Clark F Morris
Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of over 8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Yes, that was my point.
Yea sure but I think its pretty appernt that New York city
has more crime then North Carolina. Lets face it guys, cities have
more
crime then suburbs and rual areas. Its a well known fact.
It's really frightening how easily your opinions and perceptions can be
manipulated. Did you watch the Teletubbies a lot when you were younger?
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-04-29 13:50:18 UTC
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On Apr 27, 5:42 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
On Apr 27, 11:56 am, "Amy Blankenship"
...
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Clark F Morris
Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of over 8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Yes, that was my point.
Yea sure but I think its pretty appernt that New York city
has more crime then North Carolina. Lets face it guys, cities have
more
crime then suburbs and rual areas. Its a well known fact.
It's really frightening how easily your opinions and perceptions can be
manipulated. Did you watch the Teletubbies a lot when you were younger?
Umm well when I was "younger" Telatubbies wasent even on.
And no idk if you know me but im kinda known as the guy who rips on
everything but cities
so for me to say that you must realize where im coming from.
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-29 16:11:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
On Apr 27, 5:42 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
On Apr 27, 11:56 am, "Amy Blankenship"
...
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Clark F Morris
Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of over 8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Yes, that was my point.
Yea sure but I think its pretty appernt that New York city
has more crime then North Carolina. Lets face it guys, cities have
more
crime then suburbs and rual areas. Its a well known fact.
It's really frightening how easily your opinions and perceptions can be
manipulated. Did you watch the Teletubbies a lot when you were younger?
Umm well when I was "younger" Telatubbies wasent even on.
Don't be ridiculous. I distinctly recall seeing Teletubbis in 1998, and it
had been on for at least a year or two then. If you're actually 14 as you
claim, you would have been 5 9 years ago.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
And no idk if you know me but im kinda known as the guy who rips on
everything but cities
so for me to say that you must realize where im coming from.
No I don't. From here it just seems you're wandering around aimlessly,
trying to find a point. And nearly as unable to follow a conversation as
your friend, George.
George Conklin
2007-04-29 19:41:33 UTC
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Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of
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8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Yes, that was my point.
Yea sure but I think its pretty appernt that New York city
has more crime then North Carolina. Lets face it guys, cities have
more
crime then suburbs and rual areas. Its a well known fact.
It's really frightening how easily your opinions and perceptions can be
manipulated. Did you watch the Teletubbies a lot when you were younger?
Umm well when I was "younger" Telatubbies wasent even on.
Don't be ridiculous. I distinctly recall seeing Teletubbis in 1998, and it
had been on for at least a year or two then. If you're actually 14 as you
claim, you would have been 5 9 years ago.
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And no idk if you know me but im kinda known as the guy who rips on
everything but cities
so for me to say that you must realize where im coming from.
No I don't. From here it just seems you're wandering around aimlessly,
trying to find a point. And nearly as unable to follow a conversation as
your friend, George.
Amy needs to read some professional articles, but lacks the attention span.
George Conklin
2007-04-29 19:40:46 UTC
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Note how George hasn't given a URL or other source for the information
I requested on, probably on the grounds that I am too dumb to
interpret the information correctly. Basically, I want to compare the
crime rates of the entire state of North Carolina with the crime rates
of New York City. Given that both entities have populations of over 8
million people, the results should be illuminating.
Yes, that was my point.
Yea sure but I think its pretty appernt that New York city
has more crime then North Carolina. Lets face it guys, cities have
more
crime then suburbs and rual areas. Its a well known fact.
It's really frightening how easily your opinions and perceptions can be
manipulated. Did you watch the Teletubbies a lot when you were younger?
Umm well when I was "younger" Telatubbies wasent even on.
And no idk if you know me but im kinda known as the guy who rips on
everything but cities
so for me to say that you must realize where im coming from.
I suggest you give up some of your ignorance and look up the real data from
government sources on city size and crime rates. You might find out that
cities have a higher crime rate than suburban areas and the lowest rates are
rural. Start with the index offenses and go from there.
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2007-04-29 20:59:52 UTC
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I suggest you give up some of your ignorance and look up the real data from
government sources on city size and crime rates. You might find out that
cities have a higher crime rate than suburban areas and the lowest rates are
rural. Start with the index offenses and go from there.
Georgie porgie is trying to compare apples and watermelons. The FACT is
that cities and rural areas see different types of crimes. And even
different rural areas see different kinds of crimes.

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remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Translation: Conklin makes a career out of lying to you.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-04-26 01:21:44 UTC
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Crime statistics are available and the analysis is done constantly
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and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
main
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correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
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New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
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Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Good grief Conk, you mean you lie, distort, and do all that evil stuff
and still get paid for it. Why don't you tell all of us how much the
Heritage Foundation is paying you.

Take care, Randy in S Dade, FL
george conklin
2007-04-26 11:26:42 UTC
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and by region and by size of city. There is great stability of the
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correlates. The larger the city, the higher the crime levels.
Period.
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New York City is *smaller* than San Diego?! Whodda Thunk?
Clearly Conklin is saying that NYC (2,802 crimes per 100,000) is
*smaller*
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Dallas (8,960)
Detroit; (7,904 )
Phoenix (7,402)
San Antonio (7,347)
Houston (7,195)
Philadelphia (5,471)
Los Angeles (4,376)
San Diego (4,103)
Do you have a URL for that and does it also include the state
statistics calculated the same way? I think that I can have some fun
with it. I have been trying to find crime statistics that are
calculated the same way that are for both cities and entire states.
Y'all ain't been lookin hard.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08.html
dust off your slide rule. add up the localities in a state to get the
state total
remember, this is crime know to police, not total crimes
I went to that site and they gave the statistics by city but they
don't seem to include crimes in rural areas. What I want are the
totals by crime for North Carolina versus the totals for the same
crimes for New York City and for the same year. It wasn't clear if
they had state totals. A relatively recent Almanac had one type of
statistics by state and another by city. All told it was frustrating.
You know, you should leave such things to those of us who do it for a
living.
Good grief Conk, you mean you lie, distort, and do all that evil stuff
and still get paid for it. Why don't you tell all of us how much the
Heritage Foundation is paying you.
Take care, Randy in S Dade, FL
Who might the Heritage Foundation be?
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-26 13:06:25 UTC
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Good grief Conk, you mean you lie, distort, and do all that evil stuff
and still get paid for it. Why don't you tell all of us how much the
Heritage Foundation is paying you.
Take care, Randy in S Dade, FL
Who might the Heritage Foundation be?
You know, they're the people who say the same exact things you always say
(and that you've quoted in the past), but since they have some sort of grasp
of logic and rhetorical tactics they manage not to sound like complete
idiots when they say it...

-Amy
george conklin
2007-04-27 11:04:54 UTC
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Good grief Conk, you mean you lie, distort, and do all that evil stuff
and still get paid for it. Why don't you tell all of us how much the
Heritage Foundation is paying you.
Take care, Randy in S Dade, FL
Who might the Heritage Foundation be?
You know, they're the people who say the same exact things you always say
(and that you've quoted in the past), but since they have some sort of
grasp of logic and rhetorical tactics they manage not to sound like
complete idiots when they say it...
-Amy
Your inability to understand basic patterns of human behvior and the
patterns shown by long-term data is alarming.
Amy Blankenship
2007-04-27 14:48:37 UTC
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Good grief Conk, you mean you lie, distort, and do all that evil stuff
and still get paid for it. Why don't you tell all of us how much the
Heritage Foundation is paying you.
Take care, Randy in S Dade, FL
Who might the Heritage Foundation be?
You know, they're the people who say the same exact things you always say
(and that you've quoted in the past), but since they have some sort of
grasp of logic and rhetorical tactics they manage not to sound like
complete idiots when they say it...
-Amy
Your inability to understand basic patterns of human behvior and the
patterns shown by long-term data is alarming.
Your inability to make sure your comments have any relationship, no matter
how remote, to the post to which you're responding, is even more alarming!
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