Post by Mr.CoolPost by drydemPost by Mr.CoolPost by drydemPost by George ConklinPost by BOHOSourcePost by George ConklinPost by w***@urbantowns.comSuburbs are by nature isolating and socially dead environments.
This is low-level stupid slander.
If this is low-level stupid slander, then tell me how they are not..."
isolating and socially dead environments."
Because traditional urbanization, including BOHO, are socially dead
environments.
Traditional urbanized areas are not socially dead environments.
As long as more than one person lives in a environnment,
an environment cannot be *socially dead*
Suburban and urban areas by definition cannot be isolated.
Rural areas by definition are isolated.
Okay if you want to be literal about it. But if your going to a
suburb, its usally going to be because you live there and your going
to your house. Theres really not much else in suburbs besides a few
strip malls and a lot of houses with crooked, curvy roads.-
That depends on how old that suburbs is.
Before 1975, many if not most suburb developments
in the Washington DC greater metro area were
just a group of houses - there was still enough land
near the city and it was cheap. Local governments
made few demands on developers, so most
developer built only bedroom communities.
In the 1980s, land near the city/public transit
started to get scarce. New developments were now
over 12 miles away from the city and commuter
traffic started to get notiable worst, local governments
enacted new zoning requirements for more self
sustainable developments to limit traffic from communities
farther away. Local governments started requiring
those suburb developments to include parks, bikepaths,
club houses, recreation facilities (e.g. tennis courts,
tot lots, swimming pools, etc), schools,
and shopping centers.
However, ISTM how much and the type of
socialization a person has in the Washington
DC greater metro area is not a factor
of how close people are to each other but
how much opportunity and time they have
to socialize. The economic pressures
of living in the DC Area often restricts one's
opportunity to socialize - unless it is at work.
This is more often than true for the working
class and middle class who end up working
most of the time make ends meet - such
that most of the socialization is dependent
on the work environment and not where
the person actually lives. However, for
the upper middle class and the truly
wealthy - there exist more time
and opportunity to socialize (outside of work).
Okay everyone if your so set on disagreeing with me lets just get its
all straight what were are arguing about
Tell me if you dissagree, what is wrong with the following sentences,
explain.
-Suburbs tend to have alot of model housing relitivly to cities.
I don't know what you mean by "model housing". In cities, you get 100
or 200 apts in the same building with the same floor plan. That's
much more mass produced than any suburb. Take a look at Red House, a
suburb of where I live.
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts?_event=Search&geo_id=01000US&_geoContext=01000US&_street=&_county=red+house&_cityTown=red+house&_state=04000US36&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&ActiveGeoDiv=geoSelect&_useEV=&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010&_submenuId=factsheet_1&ds_name=ACS_2005_SAFF&_ci_nbr=null&qr_name=null®=null%3Anull&_keyword=&_industry=&show_2003_tab=&redirect=Y
I think you will find every house in the town to be unique and it's
one of those towns where everyone knows everyone.
Post by Mr.Cool-Cities tend to have more culture, by culture I mean faimly owned
shops,resturants, more varied races and religions/traditions
That is a arrogent, self-centered, and simplistic view of culture.
Shopping is not culture. Eating out is not culture. Having various
races around you, by itself, is not culture. Putting a privately
owned food service inside a racial diverse prison does not give it
culture. By the way, a huge amount of McDonalds are family owned. So
does that make the adding to your view of culture.
Your definition of culture also left out family and friends.
Under your definition, if you pick up a cheeseburge at a family owned
McDonalds on the way to a movie to sit in the dark by yourself. you've
had a cultureful evening. Maybe for you but not for me. On the other
hand, if you pack up your family in a car and drive to the next
Reservation over to watch your kids play lacrosse with all of their
friends, and take a picnic lunch. Then somehow that is not
cultureful. Come on, the problem with your sentence is that your idea
of culture is stupid, stupid, stupid.
Post by Mr.Cool-Suburbs tend to be more insipid, meaning more residentual housing and
less bars,coffie shopts, stadiums, night clubs,parks things of that
order.
You say that like it's a bad thing to have less bars, less coffee
shops, less night clubs and things like that. Haven't you ever heard
of a family??? Wouldn't it be better to stay at home with your
family??? I haven't been to a bar or night club or such since ...
uh ... man ... I can't remember. I'm not sure I ever was in a coffee
shop, but I must have been because I remember how bad the coffee
was ... way too bitter. ... hmmm, couldn't figure out why anyone
would pay for such lowsy coffee.
Post by Mr.CoolThese are my statements if you dissagree with them please remember
that I am not saying all suburbs are like this,just more of a general
statement.-
Let me turn the question around on you.
You say that cities have more bars, coffee shops, night clubs, pocket
parks (hint, the park nearest to me is 65,000 acres, so your parks are
tiny), theaters, restaurants, high rises, transit opportunities,etc.
etc. Okay, I agree with that. You have more of all of that. So
here's your question: Why would I want to live near all of that crap
when my family and I can live in a nice, peaceful community out in the
middle of nowhere?
Here's another hint for you: often the best times are when you are
with your family, not in some bar or nightclub or coffee shop or
theater. If we are doing something, I would rather grab a gun and go
squirrel hunting or go fishing or something than sit in a theater,
face forward, and ignore everyone around me.
