Are SUVs "evil" and bikes "good"?

[KingOfTheApes]

I know many cyclists don't think about the implications of riding a
bike, but there's really a moral stand in these Last Days of Global
Warming, Globalization and SUVs. Yeah, of late all it seems to matter
is that you've got enough money to burn and buy an SUV. But you say,
"no!" and do the right thing. Well, perhaps you only do it for sports
or sightseeing, but still you better know you're not evil --that's if
you don't own an SUV.

"Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical
judgment, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel,
unjust, or SELFISH. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which
describes intentional acts that are kind, just, or unselfish."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil

(SUVs here mean Supersized Unnecessary Vehicles, the necessary ones or
the smaller ones are OK)

There's been some controversy whether SUVs are evil or not, so it's a
good thing we put it to vote. Nobody can deny the SELFISH element in
them, but some may be reluctant to use a strong word such as evil
(used for slavery or terrorism, for example), but then they want to
feel "good" about riding a bike. Bikes are friendly to the environment
and people, and get you in shape. Well, in order for something to be
good, something else must be evil. It's like yin and yang. And how
about cars? Well, they are OK. They are simply necessary when
distances get longer.

How about if you deny all this and say that there's no good and evil
in whatever you choose to drive/ride? Well, then many would ask, "Why
ride a bike!?" Oh well, for exercise. I may use my stationary bike as
well --with none of the risks. And also for sightseeing. A bike lets
enjoy the scenery like no car can.

So I can say that today I will do something that's OK, and then
something real good. Meaning I will drive a car and later ride some
bike. With these and similar thoughts I leave you with the poll.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=432477


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[Tim McNamara]

No, you nutcase, SUVs are not evil and bikes are not good. They are
inanimate objects with no moral properties whatsoever.

You really need to learn something important here: being anti-car !=
being pro-bike. Bring pro-bike != being anti-car.

Being a repetitive sock puppet troll = idiot, however. You're giving
those of us who *are* pro-bike a bad name in the newsgroups where you
cross-post this blather. Cut it out, you pathetic attention-seeking
whiner.

Does that clear things up for you?

[KingOfTheApes]

No, you nutcase, SUVs are not evil and bikes are not good.  They are
inanimate objects with no moral properties whatsoever.
You really need to learn something important here:  being anti-car !=
being pro-bike.  Bring pro-bike != being anti-car.
Being a repetitive sock puppet troll = idiot, however.  You're giving
those of us who *are* pro-bike a bad name in the newsgroups where you
cross-post this blather.  Cut it out, you pathetic attention-seeking
whiner.
Does that clear things up for you?

No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time. If there's no
evil in SUVs, then who's evil, the driver? Well, there has to be a
hope for him, some incentive, right?

It's better you drop the SUV, but some are just "elitist" riders. ;)

[Tim McNamara]

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Post by KingOfTheApes

No, you nutcase, SUVs are not evil and bikes are not good.  They
are inanimate objects with no moral properties whatsoever.
You really need to learn something important here:  being anti-car
!= being pro-bike.  Bring pro-bike != being anti-car.
Being a repetitive sock puppet troll = idiot, however.  You're
giving those of us who *are* pro-bike a bad name in the newsgroups
where you cross-post this blather.  Cut it out, you pathetic
attention-seeking whiner.
Does that clear things up for you?

No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time. If there's
no evil in SUVs, then who's evil, the driver? Well, there has to be a
hope for him, some incentive, right?
It's better you drop the SUV, but some are just "elitist" riders. ;)

Evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe you need to
look in the mirror.

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by Tim McNamara
In article

Post by KingOfTheApes

No, you nutcase, SUVs are not evil and bikes are not good.  They
are inanimate objects with no moral properties whatsoever.
You really need to learn something important here:  being anti-car
!= being pro-bike.  Bring pro-bike != being anti-car.
Being a repetitive sock puppet troll = idiot, however.  You're
giving those of us who *are* pro-bike a bad name in the newsgroups
where you cross-post this blather.  Cut it out, you pathetic
attention-seeking whiner.
Does that clear things up for you?

No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time. If there's
no evil in SUVs, then who's evil, the driver? Well, there has to be a
hope for him, some incentive, right?
It's better you drop the SUV, but some are just "elitist" riders. ;)

Evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  Maybe you need to
look in the mirror.- Hide quoted text -
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That's true. Most of the world regards SUVs and evil.

[Tim McNamara]

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Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by Tim McNamara
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Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by Tim McNamara
No, you nutcase, SUVs are not evil and bikes are not good.
 They are inanimate objects with no moral properties
whatsoever.
You really need to learn something important here:  being
anti-car != being pro-bike.  Bring pro-bike != being anti-car.
Being a repetitive sock puppet troll = idiot, however.  You're
giving those of us who *are* pro-bike a bad name in the
newsgroups where you cross-post this blather.  Cut it out, you
pathetic attention-seeking whiner.
Does that clear things up for you?

No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time. If
there's no evil in SUVs, then who's evil, the driver? Well, there
has to be a hope for him, some incentive, right?
It's better you drop the SUV, but some are just "elitist" riders. ;)

Evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  Maybe you need
to look in the mirror.- Hide quoted text -
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That's true. Most of the world regards SUVs and evil.

That's not even coherent. Do you have some meds you're supposed to be
taking?

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by Tim McNamara
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Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by Tim McNamara
In article

Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by Tim McNamara
No, you nutcase, SUVs are not evil and bikes are not good.
 They are inanimate objects with no moral properties
whatsoever.
You really need to learn something important here:  being
anti-car != being pro-bike.  Bring pro-bike != being anti-car.
Being a repetitive sock puppet troll = idiot, however.  You're
giving those of us who *are* pro-bike a bad name in the
newsgroups where you cross-post this blather.  Cut it out, you
pathetic attention-seeking whiner.
Does that clear things up for you?

No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time. If
there's no evil in SUVs, then who's evil, the driver? Well, there
has to be a hope for him, some incentive, right?
It's better you drop the SUV, but some are just "elitist" riders. ;)

Evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  Maybe you need
to look in the mirror.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

That's true. Most of the world regards SUVs and evil.

That's not even coherent.  Do you have some meds you're supposed to be
taking?- Hide quoted text -
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"Most of the world regards SUVs as evil."

Is that hard to figure out?

[KingOfTheApes]

(Could this be my last post? Well, it sounds apocalyptic enough, but I
always say there's room for optimism)

Originally Posted by Allister
"Have you run out of jungle metaphors?"

Not really. Every time I watch Animal Planet I come up with a new one.

The other day I was watching this giant tree from the Brazil jungle
that deposited these huge seeds almost impossible to crack. Well,
there was some rodent that could, and then it made the re-birth
possible. And so on with all the animals that depended on the tree for
livelihood. Moral of the story? Everything in the jungle is
interconnected; remove the tree and you remove a whole food chain.

Why does it matter here? Some folks are trying to fix the bicycle
problem as if it was an isolated problem. The president, the war, oil
prices have little to do with it. Not so in my Jungle Model.
Everything is related, which is packaged in a simple page: COMING OUT
OF THE JUNGLE.

Meanwhile you will eat each other and wait for Armageddon. Good
luck!

[GeneralissimoApeshit]

(Could this be mylastpost? Well, it sounds apocalyptic enough, but I
always say there's room for optimism)

Don't let Usenet's door hit your baboon ass on the way out.

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by GeneralissimoApeshit

(Could this be mylastpost? Well, it sounds apocalyptic enough, but I
always say there's room for optimism)

Don't let Usenet's door hit your baboon ass on the way out.

You take me for somebody else...

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[RicodJour]

Post by KingOfTheApes
No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time.

Ah, God AND the Devil speak to you. I should have guessed. How many
other voices are crammed in there?

R

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by KingOfTheApes
No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time.

Ah, God AND the Devil speak to you.  I should have guessed.  How many
other voices are crammed in there?
R

Jesus spoke to me and said, "Go ahead, son, and do the right thing"
which I interpret to mean "ride a bike."

Then the Devil said, "No can't be, you won't get bike lanes."

[j***@stanfordalumni.org]

Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by KingOfTheApes
I know many cyclists don't think about the implications of riding
a bike, but there's really a moral stand in these Last Days of
Global Warming, Globalization and SUVs. Yeah, of late all it
seems to matter is that you've got enough money to burn and buy an
SUV. But you say, "no!" and do the right thing. Well, perhaps
you only do it for sports or sightseeing, but still you better
know you're not evil --that's if you don't own an SUV.
"Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical
judgment, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel,
unjust, or SELFISH. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which
describes intentional acts that are kind, just, or unselfish."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil

Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by KingOfTheApes
(SUVs here mean Supersized Unnecessary Vehicles, the necessary
ones or the smaller ones are OK)
There's been some controversy whether SUVs are evil or not, so
it's a good thing we put it to vote. Nobody can deny the SELFISH
element in them, but some may be reluctant to use a strong word
such as evil (used for slavery or terrorism, for example), but
then they want to feel "good" about riding a bike. Bikes are
friendly to the environment and people, and get you in shape.
Well, in order for something to be good, something else must be
evil. It's like yin and yang. And how about cars? Well, they are
OK. They are simply necessary when distances get longer.
How about if you deny all this and say that there's no good and
evil in whatever you choose to drive/ride? Well, then many would
ask, "Why ride a bike!?" Oh well, for exercise. I may use my
stationary bike as well --with none of the risks. And also for
sightseeing. A bike lets enjoy the scenery like no car can.
So I can say that today I will do something that's OK, and then
something real good. Meaning I will drive a car and later ride
some bike. With these and similar thoughts I leave you with the
poll.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=432477

Post by KingOfTheApes

No, you nutcase, SUVs are not evil and bikes are not good.  They are
inanimate objects with no moral properties whatsoever.
You really need to learn something important here:  being anti-car !=
being pro-bike.  Bring pro-bike != being anti-car.
Being a repetitive sock puppet troll = idiot, however.  You're giving
those of us who *are* pro-bike a bad name in the newsgroups where you
cross-post this blather.  Cut it out, you pathetic attention-seeking
whiner.
Does that clear things up for you?

No, you can't please God and the Devil at the same time. If there's
no evil in SUVs, then who's evil, the driver? Well, there has to be
a hope for him, some incentive, right?
It's better you drop the SUV, but some are just "elitist" riders. ;)

I see you are religiously attached to your superiority citing "God and
the Devil". I'm certain that drivers of passing cars sense your
smugness and have no friendly feelings toward your presence. As I
wrote earlier, this superior attitude is not invisible and makes
bicycling more hazardous.

Jobst Brandt

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by j***@stanfordalumni.org
I see you are religiously attached to your superiority citing "God and
the Devil".  I'm certain that drivers of passing cars sense your
smugness and have no friendly feelings toward your presence.  As I
wrote earlier, this superior attitude is not invisible and makes
bicycling more hazardous.
Jobst Brandt- Hide quoted text -
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I don't think they go that deep into energies. They just know I'm
smaller and push me around.

It's the same principle of the jungle: "The Big Fish eats the Little
Fish!"

[Tom Sherman]

Post by KingOfTheApes
[...]
It's the same principle of the jungle: "The Big Fish eats the Little
Fish!"

Any more mixed metaphors?

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by Tom Sherman

Post by KingOfTheApes
[...]
It's the same principle of the jungle: "The Big Fish eats the Little
Fish!"

Any more mixed metaphors?

As many as necessary to forget the old ones: Adam & Eve, the Forbidden
Fruit, and the evil snake.

Mine are: The lion & the monkey, the jungle and the banana... ;)

I think mine make more sense. ;)

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by Treespeed
"Like most revolutionaries you spout utopia, but at heart you are a
closet totalitarian.
You spout and spout and I don't think you have an idea in your head
about what you are talking about.

You might want to check out the following from Vaclav Havel, a true
revolutionary:
VACLAV HAVEL"

Vaclav Havel is part of the lie-on game. He comes to Miami (capital of
the Banana Republic) to lecture about democracy in Cuba. Dali Lama
too, and so is Mandela. They all part of the power game.

The heroes are the Proles (the survivors of both Capitalism and
Communism) who know the truth is beyond the media and Nobel Peace
Prizes. In capitalism you are enslaved by unncessary consumption just
as you are by the Party in communism. There's no democracy just as
there's no communism. But there's hope: just grab a bike and a
banana...

'The bicycle, perhaps surprisingly, has always been faintly suspect
and subversive -- something of a threat, as the poet says, to
lucrative patterns of repression, even before there were cars...
cyclists have all the responsibilities and limitations of both cars
and pedestrians, but none of the privileges of either.

The car is best seen as a mechanization of the horse, that archetypal
appurtenance of a privileged class. But the bicycle, on the contrary,
is a device for magnifying the truly personal, physical powers of the
individual human body. The car creates a lumpen-aristocracy of ersatz
cavaliers -- a particularly unlovely version of Yeats' "beggar on
horseback"; but the bicycle gives Everyman and Everywoman seven-league
boots. The car recruits low-quality junior-grade auxiliaries to a
devalued gentry. It does nothing for the human material, apart from
moving it into a different box on the social Monopoly board. But the
bicycle works its magic on the most essential, intimate and
inalienable possessions of humankind -- blood and muscle and sinew. It
does not purport to make the prole a patrician (although, under
present social circumstances, it does rather have the opposite effect,
at least pro tem). But then, the bike-borne prole need no longer
assume or aspire to a shoddy, Brummagem, third-class gentryhood in
order to get quickly across town; the prole who puts a bike between
his legs appropriates to himself the freedom of the city, without
restriction of caste or guild. It is surely this radically democratic
character that has made cycling, from its infancy, a source of such
uneasiness for those heavily invested in order and control, or in the
maintenance of privilege and inequality.'

http://www.rightofway.org/littera-scripta/dodge.html

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by PedalingFool
"I live along M-53
It's a major highway in my city... people don't follow the 'no talking
on the cell while driving' law. Why should they when the cops drive
around talking it up too?

If I ride on that road, I am dead for sure..."

Don't say "dead" just like that. You'll be "recycled" as the vultures,
scavengers and insects are likely to find your remnants appetizing.
(Think of the ambulance, the insurance, the funeral industry that feed
from accidents.)

And then your death won't be in vain, as the automobile industry will
use your statistic to prove that the car (or better an SUV) is just
the safe place to be.

[Tom Sherman]

Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by Tom Sherman

Post by KingOfTheApes
[...]
It's the same principle of the jungle: "The Big Fish eats the Little
Fish!"

Any more mixed metaphors?

As many as necessary to forget the old ones: Adam & Eve, the Forbidden
Fruit, and the evil snake.
Mine are: The lion & the monkey, the jungle and the banana... ;)
I think mine make more sense. ;)

I suggest you put "You Can Eat My Banana" on a shirt and go for a ride.

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by Tom Sherman

Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by Tom Sherman

Post by KingOfTheApes
[...]
It's the same principle of the jungle: "The Big Fish eats the Little
Fish!"

Any more mixed metaphors?

As many as necessary to forget the old ones: Adam & Eve, the Forbidden
Fruit, and the evil snake.
Mine are: The lion & the monkey, the jungle and the banana... ;)
I think mine make more sense. ;)

I suggest you put "You Can Eat My Banana" on a shirt and go for a ride.

I always did it and never had any problem. It's when I didn't have it,
and gave him the finger that I got in trouble.

So long as they think you are part of some organized campaign, they
respect you. At least it made them think what it meant.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by KingOfTheApes

Post by j***@stanfordalumni.org
I see you are religiously attached to your superiority citing "God and
the Devil". I'm certain that drivers of passing cars sense your
smugness and have no friendly feelings toward your presence. As I
wrote earlier, this superior attitude is not invisible and makes
bicycling more hazardous.

I don't think they go that deep into energies. They just know I'm
smaller and push me around.
It's the same principle of the jungle: "The Big Fish eats the Little
Fish!"

Why is it that I respect car driver's rights to the road and my own right to
be there as well and only very rarely have any problems with drivers?

[David L. Johnson]

Post by Tom Kunich
Why is it that I respect car driver's rights to the road and my own
right to be there as well and only very rarely have any problems with
drivers?

Maybe you are lucky enough to live in an enlightened area.

[Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)]

Post by j***@stanfordalumni.org
I see you are religiously attached to your superiority citing "God and
the Devil". I'm certain that drivers of passing cars sense your
smugness and have no friendly feelings toward your presence.

Bad cycling aura!

[KingOfTheApes]

On Jun 26, 7:02 pm, "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"

Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)

Post by j***@stanfordalumni.org
I see you are religiously attached to your superiority citing "God and
the Devil".  I'm certain that drivers of passing cars sense your
smugness and have no friendly feelings toward your presence.

Bad cycling aura!

I think they feel that God being "their co-pilot" allows them to do
whatever they want.

Besides, they probably think most cyclists are tree-huggers who don't
deserve much respect.

[KingOfTheApes]

Well, I hope you find this funny. The Original Poster says:

Biking is not for average joes
"If people biked liked they drive , i.e assuming people see them,
they'd be hit every week. I bike as though I am invisible and this
helps me avoid one certain accident every week. I am convinced safe
cycling takes a lot of equipment ( lights, mirror, etc ) and knowledge
that average joes's simply do not have the desire to understand. That
is why no matter how expensive gas becomes, people are still better
off driving for their own safety."

Then he gets attacked...

"OP reminds me of Idiocracy.

As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point.
Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest,
the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process
which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor
different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future
that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on,
things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down.
How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward
intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to
simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent
to become an endangered species."

And then I counter-attack...

And then the dumb ones elected a President that reminds us of the
stone age...

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It was a real pitty that they threw over the board 10,000 years of
civilization. ;)

***

They've got a very nice forum there with all kinds of subdivisions
within biking...

http://www.bikeforums.net/index.php

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by genec
"This reasoning is why I'd like to see a traffic education program
that begins in lower grades. In Elementary School I'd like to see the
basics taught to 8-9 year olds. In Middle School, cycling in traffic
should be taught... just like progressing from adding and subtracting
to multiplying and division. Then in High School, with this cycling
education as a prerequisite, driver's ed should be offered, with lots
of class room simulator time and some associated ethics and
responsibility lessons thrown in. I find it quite amazing that the
three Rs do not also include a 4th R, for Road Use... something we all
do for nearly the rest of our lives... and yet it is given so little
focus in our educational system. Is it any wonder that even cops may
not know the laws regarding cyclists on the roads?"

I'd put this on the back of T-shirts, "Cyclists are people too!" Well,
it's basic knowledge, but many people act as if they were bums.

Of course, then we have to remind them, "Bums are people too!"

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by st0ut
"I have had the realization that arguing with you is like talking to a
post.
only the post is socialist and illogical.me and blue order may see
things differently but at least he is logical and stays on topic.

As for you. Lions do not normally eat monkeys. Primates are omnivors
so they eat the smaller things too.you logic fails o all counts.
your social class warfare is wrong
your racism is wrong

at times you bring up biblical reference only to to say that those who
are religious are fools.
You cant pick a side on anything and from a logical argument.
You sway to whatever side of the fence and abandon your ideas when the
argument goes against you.
you are not a monkey.
you are a weasel, a snake, or an insect that should be eaten by
monkeys."

You don't understand monkey strategy: JUMP FROM BRANCH TO BRANCH WHILE
MAKING NOISE. This noise means, "This jungle is dangerous to the
monkeys and all the little animals because the predators are out to
get us."

But it's not a matter of logic. The so-called "king of the jungle" is
not even from the jungle. Just that it makes it more fun and dramatic.
In my case I can reach the "Proles" easier, which justifies all my
metaphors.

Predators are selfish by nature --though it can be argued that they
rarely overhunt--, thinking about satisfying their hunger here and
now. Human predators (which sometimes can be poor, what I call
"survivors") do the same --100 times-- but avoid any moral judgement.
It's part of their camouflage game.

Their habitat is falling apart around them, but they only think about
what they know best since the dawn of civilization: WAR AND GRAND
PROJECTS.

Whether the pyramids or the Mars exploration, they sure know how to
waste money...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sphinx_of_Giza

while the Egyptian poor had to scrape a living. And today the Rich and
Powerful still surround themselves with statues of lions...

ROARRRRRR!!!

[Tadej Brezina]

Where's the point in the promotion from dictatorship to monarchy?
Tadej

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by Tadej Brezina
Where's the point in the promotion from dictatorship to monarchy?
Tadej
--
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it.”
<Upton Sinclair in The Jungle>

Tadej, we are fighting the predators of the jungle through their
symbols of power and status.

I don't promote monarchy though, just monkey democracy. The alpha-male
monkeys that want to be lions will be put in cages. Unless they eat
the banana to prove who they are... ;)

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by genec
'The thought that one needs an SUV for some 90% of the tasks that
people assign to them is baffling all throughout Europe where SUVs do
not have nearly the "penetration" they have in the US. And yes, as you
point out there are plenty of folk in frigid northern climates of
places like Finland that do not drive SUVs to get though the snow...
and in fact actually ride bicycles in that same weather.'

What you say makes so much sense. SUVs are just Selfish Unnecessary
Vehicles.

[KingOfTheApes]

You know what USA stands for?

USA stands for United Selfish of America...

I wonder how can anyone die for a country that stands for
selfishness?

[Jens Müller]

Post by KingOfTheApes
You know what USA stands for?
USA stands for United Selfish of America...
I wonder how can anyone die for a country that stands for
selfishness?

"I would never fight for my country, \\ 'cause it won't fight for you
and me."

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by Jens Müller

Post by KingOfTheApes
You know what USA stands for?
USA stands for United Selfish of America...
I wonder how can anyone die for a country that stands for
selfishness?

"I would never fight for my country, \\ 'cause it won't fight for you
and me."

Exactly. But it's the stupid monkeys that do the fighting...

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[KingOfTheApes]

BICYCLE VIDEO...

Originally Posted by genec
"I have since fixed the link to the video... thanks DQ for pointing it
out."

Oh tanks, I've been looking for the video.

The point is that 40% of trips in America are under 2 miles, PERFECT
FOR RIDING BIKES...

So it's NOT even that we have to get rid of the evil SUVs overnight,
but we can take up biking for short distances.

And if you do one good thing, then it cancels out the bad thing, and
you are OK... Get my point?

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by genec
"BTW having spent 7 years as a "stupid monkey" (by your definition) I
find your implications quite distasteful.

Try to keep in mind that the monkeys only carry out the policies set
forth by the politicians. And as a democracy, we tend to get the
politicians we deserve."

Well, things were different before 2000. There was a sense of duty and
patriotism. This war is about oil and SUVs, period. Or you may have
signed up before 9-11, in which case you didn't know how to get out.

My statement though is not meant to be an insult, but a reminder to
those monkeys who want to join the Army.

Forget about democracy, the sheep vote for the lions, and are not
interested in what war is all about. "Just do the job quickly," they
say. Well, it turned out to be neither quick nor cheap.

The monkeys need to be reminded that they are neither lions nor
sheep...

[Tim McNamara]

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Post by KingOfTheApes
You know what USA stands for?
USA stands for United Selfish of America...
I wonder how can anyone die for a country that stands for
selfishness?

You really are trolling now. Oh well, I've shit-canned all your other
sock puppets, time to shit-can this one.

[KingOfTheApes]

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Post by KingOfTheApes
You know what USA stands for?
USA stands for United Selfish of America...
I wonder how can anyone die for a country that stands for
selfishness?

You really are trolling now.  Oh well, I've shit-canned all your other
sock puppets, time to shit-can this one.

There's a difference, you know...

"You are doing good for the environment and peace. Not like those
selfish people who drive SUVs."

http://www.zazzle.com/bike_for_peace_shirt-235089762324119933

[KingOfTheApes]

(Could you believe it that they say I'm the man behind curtains? As if
they didn't know who he really was?)

Originally Posted by chipcom
"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"


The man behind the curtains is the one that keeps you driving when
prices are going up without ever making you think you can ride a
simple bike.

And 90% of Americans believe it, according to a study that says so
many people consider these high prices outrageous. And they are not
really high enough!

Bent down now...

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[Tadej Brezina]

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Post by Tadej Brezina
Where's the point in the promotion from dictatorship to monarchy?

Tadej, we are fighting the predators of the jungle through their
symbols of power and status.
I don't promote monarchy though, just monkey democracy.

But you promoted yourselves from plain commandante to illustrious king!
How does that go along with your democratic strives towards banana republic?

Post by KingOfTheApes
The alpha-male
monkeys that want to be lions will be put in cages. Unless they eat
the banana to prove who they are... ;)

No need to put the wannabe lions in cages, just throw them back at their
natural feet! ;.)

Tadej

[KingOfTheApes]

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Post by Tadej Brezina
Where's the point in the promotion from dictatorship to monarchy?

Tadej, we are fighting the predators of the jungle through their
symbols of power and status.
I don't promote monarchy though, just monkey democracy.

But you promoted yourselves from plain commandante to illustrious king!
How does that go along with your democratic strives towards banana republic?

Post by KingOfTheApes
 The alpha-male
monkeys that want to be lions will be put in cages. Unless they eat
the banana to prove who they are... ;)

No need to put the wannabe lions in cages, just throw them back at their
natural feet! ;.)
Tadej
--
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it.”
<Upton Sinclair in The Jungle>

It's either the cage, the feet, the bike or the banana!

[DennisTheBald]

What kind of drugs might one take to cause them to refer to a motor
vehicle as a sports utility vehicle?

There ain't nothin' sporting about yer Ford Exploder, while bicycles
on the other hand do seem to be central to some sports like racing and
X-Games. Heck if riding a bike isn't a sport why do you gotta wear
them goofey assed britches and that stupid helmet to do it?

There ain't nothing utilitarian about a vehicle that consumes 25% of
my gross income to operate. The venerable wire donkey on the other
hand eats so little and carries so much.

Motor vehicles are indeed a tool of the devil, and the devil's best
weapon is to obfuscate the true nature of things. To attach the term
SUV to a motor vehicle is the work of the devil, clearly.

[KingOfTheApes]

Post by DennisTheBald
What kind of drugs might one take to cause them to refer to a motor
vehicle as a sports utility vehicle?
There ain't nothin' sporting about yer Ford Exploder, while bicycles
on the other hand do seem to be central to some sports like racing and
X-Games.  Heck if riding a bike isn't a sport why do you gotta wear
them goofey assed britches and that stupid helmet to do it?
There ain't nothing utilitarian about a vehicle that consumes 25% of
my gross income to operate.  The venerable wire donkey on the other
hand eats so little and carries so much.
Motor vehicles are indeed a tool of the devil, and the devil's best
weapon is to obfuscate the true nature of things.  To attach the term
SUV to a motor vehicle is the work of the devil, clearly.

They gave it an appealing name for marketing, but their true nature is
better represented in: Selfish Unnecessary Vehicles.

[KingOfTheApes]

I don't know, but I get the feeling that this is one of those famous
phrases for posterity...

"To be able to survive on a bike you must both have the patience of
Bhudda and the rifle of John Wayne."

(Try the patience first. Unless you believe to be in the Wild West,
and then "the quickest draw wins." Now guaranteed by the Supreme
Court.)

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by plumberroy
I have left this thread alone for the last 2 pages but one remark has
got me back in I'm going to try not to get my self in trouble:
DQ
If you made the statment about our soldiers being monkeys while in my
house I would physically throw you out of my house! I will stop at
that so not to get banned
I have not set up my signature on this forum yet the signature I use
is::
Every breath I have ever taken as a free man was paid for in the blood
of an American Soldier"

Well, they can't come out completely clean when they are fighting the
wrong war, and they know it. As a matter fact, the military is having
a hard time meeting its quotas.

But the whole issue of having few soldiers willing to volunteer to
fight "their" wars would be solved if "their" kids had to serve. Yep,
bring back the draft. You would see the war in Iraq be finished within
a year.

So far though it's the children of the poor who go pay the ultimate
UNSELFISH sacrifice... For WHOM and for WHAT? For the most SELFISH
bunch on earth to keep their SUVs going...

Hey, that's kind of stupid, isn't it?

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by Treespeed
'Have you read "The Road to Wigan Pier"? You might want to as you'll
see it's about coal miners living in subhuman conditions, not poser
revolutionaries who are trying to sell t-shirts. You see Mr. Orwell
actually went and lived among these coal miners to experience their
lives so they could give an authentic report of their lives. You and
almost everyone on this board live in utopia compared to the
conditions these men and women experienced. You quoting that book in
reference to anything in your life is pathetic.'


Well, different times have different problems and different solutions.
In order to raise hell about conditions now, it woudn't occur to me to
think slaves had it worst. I think in terms of what we could be having
now that we don't. And in many respects, I believe the present time to
be more grave than any other time, not just for a group of people, but
for the whole species. Not for nothing the Bible says we are living in
the Last Days, even if we have different interpretations of it.

The fact that we needlessly keep polluting, for example, demands a
quicker solution than slavery in 1861. Yet we proudly keep driving
SUVs like nobody cares. And we make it all worse, we cyclists are
denied safe space on the road. And all of this is happening while the
very endless wars that Orwell warned us about are draining the
resources that could go into alternative technologies and
infrastructure.

So it is that this age demands a change in thinking as well as the
priorities that we have. Thus the need for the revolution!

Viva chihuahua!

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"Yo quiero Revolution!"

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by Treespeed
"What if Rosa Parks just wore a T-shirt about the bus?"

Hey, dummy, a bright T-shirt makes you visible and it tells what the
issue is to the drivers out there. And, perhaps most importantly, it
identifies you as part of a campaign, which will earn you far more
respect. But if you die with it, you'll be a martyr for the
revolution. Without it, you die like a dog. Big difference!

Anything else is collaboration. Yes, it may get things done in the
long term. But we don't have the time to do so. Thus the need for the
revolution!

PS: Remember the black struggle was also about boycott of the buses.
Hey, we may as well stay away from the roads... or take them by storm!
(no guns, just a banana)

[KingOfTheApes]

(If nobody is listening on this Earth, I hope some intelligent life in
other planets gets the message)

Originally Posted by chipcom
"Hey DQ, I got one simple question for you....have you ever held or
run for elected office?
Attempting to effect change from within the system before touting
revolution is the tact that most sane, reasonable people take, since
revolutions tend to be kind of messy and full of unintended
consequences.
I'm pretty sure you a are neither sane nor reasonable, but I figured
I'd let you confirm that via this simple yes or no question."

No, no monkey can change the jungle by himself. Not even a lion can.
Only the people can. The jungle drags everybody down into a web of
complicity and silence. People get paid NOT to say what they feel...

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair (author of
'The Jungle')

Not all revolutions though are violent. Some of them have even been
backed by America, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, for example.
Still I think of the revolution in less dramatic but no less important
terms. The book above (The Jungle) changed safety in the meat packing
industry by raising awareness to it. If this revolution changes
TRAFFIC SAFETY, I'd feel satisfied.

[KingOfTheApes]

(the T-shirts were taken to vote on another forum)

Since somebody raised the possibility of wearing T-shirts for activism
and several people voted for it, what should they say? Notice there's
NO profit on it, and we can all have access to the account where we
can help ourselves.

OK, there are some about bananas and this and that, but let's consider
first the more conventional options. The one I put forth says:

"Bike for Peace" (front)

and then the back...

"Don't burn oil, burn the calories!" (bigger)
(a little spice there to catch attention)

"We will take the lane
until we get bike lanes
so we can bike for peace" (smaller)

The take is on the war and making cycling a peaceful and sexy
activity.

Here it is...

http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories