Discussion:
Wal Mart in NYC
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pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-03 19:57:28 UTC
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.

Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.

They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.

W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.


Take care, Randy in Atlanta
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-03 20:44:48 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
George Conklin
2007-05-03 21:15:43 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-03 21:49:25 UTC
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
George Conklin
2007-05-03 23:37:22 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The very same things were said about Sears, Wards and the mail order
companies. Local store keepers strongly opposed the establishement of
Parcel Post using the same arguments you use. Give it up.
Pat
2007-05-04 01:36:24 UTC
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.

First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.

Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.

Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-04 03:03:54 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Fine let Social Darwinism take its course so that all places can be
wall marts and super targets
and sam's club. Kill out all the small stores and shops because they
can't compete with us!
George Conklin
2007-05-04 10:26:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Fine let Social Darwinism take its course so that all places can be
wall marts and super targets
and sam's club. Kill out all the small stores and shops because they
can't compete with us!
Those small stores simply gave you high prices. It was a tax on the
public.
Clark F Morris
2007-05-06 23:45:05 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 04 May 2007 10:26:25 GMT, "George Conklin"
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market, it
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then
the $6
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia,
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being
able
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Fine let Social Darwinism take its course so that all places can be
wall marts and super targets
and sam's club. Kill out all the small stores and shops because they
can't compete with us!
Those small stores simply gave you high prices. It was a tax on the
public.
They also are the people to whom every volunteer group in town looks
to for support. If the small businesses in town go, not only does the
tax base drop, the support for things such as the local library group,
the Lions, Elks, etc. and the local recreation groups drops.
George Conklin
2007-05-06 23:51:08 UTC
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Post by Clark F Morris
On Fri, 04 May 2007 10:26:25 GMT, "George Conklin"
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market, it
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then
the $6
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia,
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being
able
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Fine let Social Darwinism take its course so that all places can be
wall marts and super targets
and sam's club. Kill out all the small stores and shops because they
can't compete with us!
Those small stores simply gave you high prices. It was a tax on the
public.
They also are the people to whom every volunteer group in town looks
to for support. If the small businesses in town go, not only does the
tax base drop, the support for things such as the local library group,
the Lions, Elks, etc. and the local recreation groups drops.
The tax base does NOT drop. The volunteer base of a community is usually
church-based.
Clark F Morris
2007-05-07 00:05:43 UTC
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On Sun, 06 May 2007 23:51:08 GMT, "George Conklin"
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Clark F Morris
On Fri, 04 May 2007 10:26:25 GMT, "George Conklin"
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market, it
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the $6
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by ***@yahoo.com
able
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe
of
Post by Clark F Morris
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Fine let Social Darwinism take its course so that all places can be
wall marts and super targets
and sam's club. Kill out all the small stores and shops because they
can't compete with us!
Those small stores simply gave you high prices. It was a tax on the
public.
They also are the people to whom every volunteer group in town looks
to for support. If the small businesses in town go, not only does the
tax base drop, the support for things such as the local library group,
the Lions, Elks, etc. and the local recreation groups drops.
The tax base does NOT drop. The volunteer base of a community is usually
church-based.
If enough businesses go out of business and are not replaced, the tax
base does drop.

While most of the members of the volunteer groups I belong to also
belong to churches (as do I), I think you need to do more study. The
local Friends of the Library probably isn't a church group nor is the
Little League. I haven't heard of a church based volunteer fire
department. The local historical society might be surprised. While
many scout groups are based in churches the scouts are not church
groups. The local Legion is not church based.
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-04 13:00:01 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is inaccessible
to people who can't drive.
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often outweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart will
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
Post by Pat
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Wal-Mart can offer low prices for several reasons. Most of them are not a
positive for any economy it touches.

1) They put enormous pressure on their suppliers to cut costs, often
forcing them to sell at a loss, cut quality, move jobs overseas, or all
three (hint: when a supplier has cut quality to meat Wal-Mart's price point,
you're overpaying for it at Wal-Mart, no matter how great a deal you thought
you were getting).

2) Many Wal-Marts are subsidized directly by the communities they are in.
That means that the reason that their competitors have to charge more for
the same item (when it is the same item) is that some of the money they
charge for it goes directly into Wal-Mart's pocket, because they are being
taxed to provide that subsidy. In communities where Wal-Mart is not
subsidized, it still has a competitive advantage because of all the Wal-Mart
stores that *are* subsidized.

3) In many states, Wal-Mart does not pay income tax due to something
called the "Geoffrey loophole", where large chains spin off a separate
company in a state with no income tax that owns their logo/branding. They
pay huge licensing fees to that company, avoiding state income tax. Local
stores *do* pay state income tax.

-Amy
Pat
2007-05-04 14:45:29 UTC
Permalink
On May 4, 9:00 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is inaccessible
to people who can't drive.
In the case of your pharmacy, if there are many people who need
delivery, then that pharmacy has nothing to worry about. It is
providing a product that Walmart doesn't provide. That pharmacy will
probably make a killing.

But pharmacies are probably a bad example because (a) most pharmacies
are chains and (b) pharmacist are pretty high paid for people in the
"retail" trade.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often outweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart will
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
Huh? People steal from someone else and you bitch about the cost of
police enforcement? The problem isn't with the cost, it is with the
people stealing.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Wal-Mart can offer low prices for several reasons. Most of them are not a
positive for any economy it touches.
So if I go buy something at Walmart and then resell it to you at a
higher price, it is somehow intrincitly better just because it costs
more? Low prices are not a bad thing.
Post by Amy Blankenship
1) They put enormous pressure on their suppliers to cut costs, often
forcing them to sell at a loss, cut quality, move jobs overseas, or all
three (hint: when a supplier has cut quality to meat Wal-Mart's price point,
you're overpaying for it at Wal-Mart, no matter how great a deal you thought
you were getting).
If I buy the same brand, say Purdue, at Walmart and at the local
store, it is somehow worse because it is from Walmart?
Post by Amy Blankenship
2) Many Wal-Marts are subsidized directly by the communities they are in.
That means that the reason that their competitors have to charge more for
the same item (when it is the same item) is that some of the money they
charge for it goes directly into Wal-Mart's pocket, because they are being
taxed to provide that subsidy. In communities where Wal-Mart is not
subsidized, it still has a competitive advantage because of all the Wal-Mart
stores that *are* subsidized.
3) In many states, Wal-Mart does not pay income tax due to something
called the "Geoffrey loophole", where large chains spin off a separate
company in a state with no income tax that owns their logo/branding. They
pay huge licensing fees to that company, avoiding state income tax. Local
stores *do* pay state income tax.
That arguement doesn't hold water. The company selling the license
still needs to pay income tax in your state for sales there. I have
income in two states and pay income tax to the state I do not live in.
Post by Amy Blankenship
-Amy
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-04 15:09:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
On May 4, 9:00 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is inaccessible
to people who can't drive.
In the case of your pharmacy, if there are many people who need
delivery, then that pharmacy has nothing to worry about. It is
providing a product that Walmart doesn't provide. That pharmacy will
probably make a killing.
But pharmacies are probably a bad example because (a) most pharmacies
are chains and (b) pharmacist are pretty high paid for people in the
"retail" trade.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often outweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart will
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
Huh? People steal from someone else and you bitch about the cost of
police enforcement? The problem isn't with the cost, it is with the
people stealing.
Righto, there is always going to be shrinkage in retail. But if you
are caught at W-M they want to really impress it upon you, and that is
their way of doing it. Most places for a small item will just have
you sign a statement that you were caught and you apologize and will
never come into that store again.

It wastes the police time when they could be doing something more
important. Maybe the town will make out on the fine you will
receive, but overall, I doubt if it is worth it.

There is a point to be made that when people get away with small
things, they go on to larger things, but given the way society is
currently, I still doubt an arrest for small theft is worth it.


Take care, Randy
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-04 15:27:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
On May 4, 9:00 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then
the
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is inaccessible
to people who can't drive.
In the case of your pharmacy, if there are many people who need
delivery, then that pharmacy has nothing to worry about. It is
providing a product that Walmart doesn't provide. That pharmacy will
probably make a killing.
But pharmacies are probably a bad example because (a) most pharmacies
are chains and (b) pharmacist are pretty high paid for people in the
"retail" trade.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often outweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart will
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
Huh? People steal from someone else and you bitch about the cost of
police enforcement? The problem isn't with the cost, it is with the
people stealing.
The point being that people also steal from smaller stores who usually find
some other way to handle it other than calling the cops. If you call the
cops more, you have to have more cops, which has to be paid for somehow. If
the expense is higher than the sales tax benefit, then there is no actual
benefit from increased sales tax.
Post by Pat
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Yes, some mom and pop stores (that also pay minimum wage and NO
benefits) carrying the same lines might be negatively impacted, but
why do you want people in rural areas to overpay for goods just to
keep some other company in business?
Wal-Mart can offer low prices for several reasons. Most of them are not a
positive for any economy it touches.
So if I go buy something at Walmart and then resell it to you at a
higher price, it is somehow intrincitly better just because it costs
more? Low prices are not a bad thing.
It is intrinsically better to do business ethically, and charge the fair
price that results in so doing. Pawn shops sell stolen goods for low prices
as well.
Post by Pat
Post by Amy Blankenship
1) They put enormous pressure on their suppliers to cut costs, often
forcing them to sell at a loss, cut quality, move jobs overseas, or all
three (hint: when a supplier has cut quality to meat Wal-Mart's price point,
you're overpaying for it at Wal-Mart, no matter how great a deal you thought
you were getting).
If I buy the same brand, say Purdue, at Walmart and at the local
store, it is somehow worse because it is from Walmart?
Yes. Levis you buy at Wal-Mart will not be the same quality as Levis you
buy elsewhere. They had to cut quality to meet Wal-Mart's price point.
Snapper stopped selling lawn mowers to Wal-Mart because they wanted to
maintain their reputation for high quality.
Post by Pat
Post by Amy Blankenship
2) Many Wal-Marts are subsidized directly by the communities they are in.
That means that the reason that their competitors have to charge more for
the same item (when it is the same item) is that some of the money they
charge for it goes directly into Wal-Mart's pocket, because they are being
taxed to provide that subsidy. In communities where Wal-Mart is not
subsidized, it still has a competitive advantage because of all the Wal-Mart
stores that *are* subsidized.
I notice you didn't comment on independetn businesses being forced to
directly fund their competitors....
Post by Pat
Post by Amy Blankenship
3) In many states, Wal-Mart does not pay income tax due to something
called the "Geoffrey loophole", where large chains spin off a separate
company in a state with no income tax that owns their logo/branding.
They
pay huge licensing fees to that company, avoiding state income tax.
Local
stores *do* pay state income tax.
That arguement doesn't hold water. The company selling the license
still needs to pay income tax in your state for sales there. I have
income in two states and pay income tax to the state I do not live in.
You are naive. Of course that is exactly what they do.

http://www.missouriprovote.org/Docs/CTL%20Geoffrey%20report1%20The%20Real%20Story.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/2e37u4
http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/column?oid=oid%3A422685
Clark F Morris
2007-05-06 23:51:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
much snipped
If I buy the same brand, say Purdue, at Walmart and at the local
store, it is somehow worse because it is from Walmart?
It may be if the product is specially produced/packaged for Walmart.
It may be sold in a quantity unique to Walmart (1.2 gallons instead of
the normal 1 gallon size). It may be a model unique to Walmart. Or
the company may just have downgraded its line for everyone.
George Conklin
2007-05-04 21:31:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is inaccessible
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do drive
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even to get
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often outweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart will
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I guess I
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post this???!!!
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-05 13:11:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia,
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do drive
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even to get
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I guess I
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
George Conklin
2007-05-05 22:22:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
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Post by George Conklin
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia,
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do drive
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even to get
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I guess I
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-06 15:42:10 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I guess
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet.
" I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager."
-Yes because I am the only person in the world who hates the existence
of suburbs
(sarcasm)
And you have the support of white middle class americans who have no
idea what the bottem is like and having no choice but to find a
minimal wage job.
George Conklin
2007-05-06 21:07:21 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I guess
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet.
" I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager."
-Yes because I am the only person in the world who hates the existence
of suburbs
(sarcasm)
And you have the support of white middle class americans who have no
idea what the bottem is like and having no choice but to find a
minimal wage job.
Jobs at Wal-Mart are far better than those offered by local store keepers
who also paid minimum wages. Wal-Mart pays more than that, by the way.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-06 21:32:08 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
in
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage
very
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
mroe
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that
is
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough
even to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are
in.
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then go
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
negative
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
to 15
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
revenue
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
count
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
wear
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I
guess
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet.
" I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager."
-Yes because I am the only person in the world who hates the existence
of suburbs
(sarcasm)
And you have the support of white middle class americans who have no
idea what the bottem is like and having no choice but to find a
minimal wage job.
Jobs at Wal-Mart are far better than those offered by local store keepers
who also paid minimum wages. Wal-Mart pays more than that, by the way.
But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
George Conklin
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot
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demands.
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
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it
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
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the
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
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and
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage
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nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
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for
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
mroe
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of
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that
is
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more
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important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough
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get
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into a taxi.....
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Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
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to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
to 15
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miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
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is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
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the
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direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
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will
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normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
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and
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves?
I
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guess
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I
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet.
" I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager."
-Yes because I am the only person in the world who hates the existence
of suburbs
(sarcasm)
And you have the support of white middle class americans who have no
idea what the bottem is like and having no choice but to find a
minimal wage job.
Jobs at Wal-Mart are far better than those offered by local store keepers
who also paid minimum wages. Wal-Mart pays more than that, by the way.
But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a
lot
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of
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demands.
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
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market,
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it
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid
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then
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
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Georgia,
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
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very
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a
whole
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rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All
while
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being
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able
to use up
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You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
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for
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
corporation
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we
need
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mroe
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of
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates
in
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rural
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
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For
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp
when
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considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something
that
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is
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more
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important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart
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inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who
do
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drive
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough
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get
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into a taxi.....
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Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they
are
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in.
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you
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book
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
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to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town
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to 15
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miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
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is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you
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count
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the
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direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
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just to
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
instance,
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Wal-Mart
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will
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costs
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then
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wear
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves?
I
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guess
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I
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is
still
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone
who
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting
with
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their feet.
" I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager."
-Yes because I am the only person in the world who hates the existence
of suburbs
(sarcasm)
And you have the support of white middle class americans who have no
idea what the bottem is like and having no choice but to find a
minimal wage job.
Jobs at Wal-Mart are far better than those offered by local store
keepers
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who also paid minimum wages. Wal-Mart pays more than that, by the way.
But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
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in
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This was in another thread and I wanted to
comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make
a
lot
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of
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demands.
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
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market,
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it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call
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shots.
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the
stores
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be
paid
more
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then
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the
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
rural
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Georgia,
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and
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
manage
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very
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nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up
a
whole
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rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses.
All
while
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being
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
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for
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
corporation
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we
need
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mroe
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of
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart
operates
in
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rural
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
okay.
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For
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job --
esp
when
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considering the educational requirements. Second off,
they
provide
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something
the
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something
that
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is
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more
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important to elderly people who often can't drive.
Wal-Mart
is
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inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who
do
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drive
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough
even to
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get
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into a taxi.....
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Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town
they
are
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in.
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you
want a
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book
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs,
you
then go
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to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway.
The
negative
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the
town
10
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to 15
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miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales
tax
revenue
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is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you
don't
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count
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the
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direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
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just to
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
instance,
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Wal-Mart
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will
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normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item
that
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costs
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then
there's
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wear
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and
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves?
I
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guess
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I
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had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
thefts
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is
still
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone
who
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting
with
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their feet.
" I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager."
-Yes because I am the only person in the world who hates the existence
of suburbs
(sarcasm)
And you have the support of white middle class americans who have no
idea what the bottem is like and having no choice but to find a
minimal wage job.
Jobs at Wal-Mart are far better than those offered by local store
keepers
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who also paid minimum wages. Wal-Mart pays more than that, by the way.
But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
Is that checking based on numbers of people or gross aggregate sales?
George Conklin
2007-05-07 12:08:22 UTC
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On May 4, 4:31 pm, "George Conklin"
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
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"Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
in
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a
lot
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of
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demands.
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
tremendous
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market,
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it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores
are
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid
more
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then
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the
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
rural
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Georgia,
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and
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
manage
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very
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nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a
whole
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rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All
while
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being
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
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for
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
corporation
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we
need
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mroe
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of
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates
in
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rural
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
okay.
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For
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp
when
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considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
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Post by Pat
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something
the
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something
that
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is
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more
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important to elderly people who often can't drive.
Wal-Mart
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is
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inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who
do
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drive
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough
even to
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get
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into a taxi.....
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Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they
are
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in.
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you
want a
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book
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then go
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to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway.
The
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negative
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town
10
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to 15
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miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
revenue
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is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you
don't
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
count
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
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Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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just to
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
instance,
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Wal-Mart
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will
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normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item
that
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
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costs
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then
there's
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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wear
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves?
I
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guess
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I
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had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
thefts
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is
still
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone
who
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting
with
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
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their feet.
" I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager."
-Yes because I am the only person in the world who hates the existence
of suburbs
(sarcasm)
And you have the support of white middle class americans who have no
idea what the bottem is like and having no choice but to find a
minimal wage job.
Jobs at Wal-Mart are far better than those offered by local store
keepers
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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who also paid minimum wages. Wal-Mart pays more than that, by the way.
But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
People vote with their feet. Wal-Mart gets the traffic. You just complain.
RJ
2007-05-07 15:13:40 UTC
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But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
People vote on such things with where they spend the money, not what
they say.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-07 23:57:18 UTC
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But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
People vote on such things with where they spend the money, not what
they say.
The bottem line is Wal Mart likes to go to places where it can control
the area, not BE controlled.
Thus, there is no Wal*Mart in New York City.
RJ
2007-05-08 01:01:51 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by RJ
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
People vote on such things with where they spend the money, not what
they say.
The bottem line is Wal Mart likes to go to places where it can control
the area, not BE controlled.
Thus, there is no Wal*Mart in New York City.
That is not a response.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-08 01:23:10 UTC
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But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
People vote on such things with where they spend the money, not what
they say.
The bottem line is Wal Mart likes to go to places where it can control
the area, not BE controlled.
Thus, there is no Wal*Mart in New York City.
That is not a response.
Well to the Title of the Thread it is.
George Conklin
2007-05-08 21:34:26 UTC
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by RJ
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
But it also might be helpful to note that WalMart is not a small local
store.
And the public finds this good, not bad.
Really? Because last time I checked people preferred a smaller local
store rather then a huge chain one that likes to settle for less.
People vote on such things with where they spend the money, not what
they say.
The bottem line is Wal Mart likes to go to places where it can control
the area, not BE controlled.
Thus, there is no Wal*Mart in New York City.
NYC simply will not let Wal-Mart in. As for controlling an area, you are
wrong. They are just another store around here. BJs, Costco, and dozens of
others are all here.
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-06 23:11:59 UTC
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
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Post by Pat
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Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
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it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
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Post by Pat
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
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the
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Post by Pat
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Post by George Conklin
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
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and
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
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Post by George Conklin
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
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Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even
to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I guess
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager.
Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices and
because it is one of the biggest beneficiaries of corporate welfare in the
nation. A significant portion of Wal-Mart's bottom line comes, not from
people voting with their feet, but from the candidates whose campaigns they
supported so richly voting for measures that give them even more of an
unfair advantage over small local business. You'd find it hard to be a
successful teacher if the school skimmed off a portion of your salary (and
most of the other teachers in school) to pay one guy, even knowing he was
screwing all the coeds.

-Amy
George Conklin
2007-05-06 23:53:10 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even
to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I guess
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy teenager.
Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as unethical.
Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-07 02:43:27 UTC
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
in
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot
of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage
very
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
mroe
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even
to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are
in.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then
go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
negative
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
to
15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
count
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
wear
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I
guess
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy
teenager.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as unethical.
Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
You should really brush up on your reading comprehension and reread the
entire thread. I have been very clear and specific on what I find unethical
about Wal-Mart's practices. Unfortunately, you seem to completely lack the
capability to absorb any information that is contrary in any way to any
opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.

-Amy
George Conklin
2007-05-07 12:09:16 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
in
Post by Amy Blankenship
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot
of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous
market,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are
smaller
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more
then
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
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and
Post by Amy Blankenship
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage
very
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nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole
rural
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
mroe
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
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more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even
to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are
in.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then
go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
negative
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
to
15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
count
Post by Amy Blankenship
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the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance,
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
wear
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I
guess
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I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor thefts
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is still
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy
teenager.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as unethical.
Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
You should really brush up on your reading comprehension and reread the
entire thread. I have been very clear and specific on what I find unethical
about Wal-Mart's practices. Unfortunately, you seem to completely lack the
capability to absorb any information that is contrary in any way to any
opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
-Amy
More pure blather. You just hate Wal-Mart and are looking for something to
be unhappy about. Pity.
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-07 13:56:46 UTC
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
in
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a
lot
of
demands.
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Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
tremendous
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market,
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it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores
are
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid
more
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then
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the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
manage
very
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a
whole
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All
while
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
corporation
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
mroe
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates
in
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp
when
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something
that
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who
do
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even
to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they
are
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
in.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you
want
a
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then
go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
negative
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
to
15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
count
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
instance,
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item
that
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
wear
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I
guess
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
thefts
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is
still
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Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy
teenager.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as
unethical.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
You should really brush up on your reading comprehension and reread the
entire thread. I have been very clear and specific on what I find
unethical
Post by Amy Blankenship
about Wal-Mart's practices. Unfortunately, you seem to completely lack
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
capability to absorb any information that is contrary in any way to any
opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
-Amy
More pure blather. You just hate Wal-Mart and are looking for something to
be unhappy about. Pity.
Hey, George;

You seem to be confused about where you're even qualified. SOCIOlogists are
not the ones who went to school to diagnose the emotional states of others.

-Amy
George Conklin
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On May 4, 4:31 pm, "George Conklin"
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
in
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Post by Pat
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a
lot
of
demands.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
tremendous
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
market,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores
are
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Post by Amy Blankenship
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smaller
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid
more
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Post by Amy Blankenship
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then
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
manage
very
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a
whole
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
rural
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All
while
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
being
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
corporation
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we
need
mroe
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
of
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates
in
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
rural
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp
when
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something
that
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
more
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
Post by Amy Blankenship
to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who
do
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
drive
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap
enough
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
even
to
get
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they
are
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
in.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you
want
a
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
book
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then
go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
negative
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town
10
to
15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
count
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
just to
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
instance,
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Wal-Mart
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item
that
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
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costs
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
wear
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and
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves?
I
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guess
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I
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had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
thefts
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is
still
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are
voting
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with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy
teenager.
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Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as
unethical.
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Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
You should really brush up on your reading comprehension and reread the
entire thread. I have been very clear and specific on what I find
unethical
Post by Amy Blankenship
about Wal-Mart's practices. Unfortunately, you seem to completely lack
the
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capability to absorb any information that is contrary in any way to any
opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
-Amy
More pure blather. You just hate Wal-Mart and are looking for something to
be unhappy about. Pity.
Hey, George;
You seem to be confused about where you're even qualified. SOCIOlogists are
not the ones who went to school to diagnose the emotional states of others.
-Amy
Nah, I just developed a female power scale. Should I say you intrest is
power, not shopping? Or is it power shopping? -:)
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-08 22:08:29 UTC
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More pure blather. You just hate Wal-Mart and are looking for
something
to
be unhappy about. Pity.
Hey, George;
You seem to be confused about where you're even qualified. SOCIOlogists
are
Post by Amy Blankenship
not the ones who went to school to diagnose the emotional states of
others.
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-Amy
Nah, I just developed a female power scale. Should I say you intrest is
power, not shopping? Or is it power shopping? -:)
I like capital gains instead of interest...
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-08 03:57:59 UTC
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
in
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot
of
demands.
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
tremendous
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market,
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it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores
are
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid
more
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then
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the
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
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and
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage
very
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nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a
whole
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rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All
while
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being
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
corporation
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
mroe
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of
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates
in
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rural
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp
when
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considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
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Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something
that
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is
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more
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important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who
do
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drive
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even
to
get
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into a taxi.....
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Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they
are
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in.
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want
a
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book
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then
go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
negative
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
to
15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
count
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the
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direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
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just to
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
instance,
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Wal-Mart
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will
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normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item
that
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costs
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
wear
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I
guess
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
thefts
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is
still
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy
teenager.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as
unethical.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
You should really brush up on your reading comprehension and reread the
entire thread. I have been very clear and specific on what I find
unethical
Post by Amy Blankenship
about Wal-Mart's practices. Unfortunately, you seem to completely lack
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
capability to absorb any information that is contrary in any way to any
opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
-Amy
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?

How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.

And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..

You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.

For once in your life George, show some honesty.


Take care, Randy
Pat
2007-05-08 16:50:09 UTC
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
On May 3, 4:15 pm, "George Conklin"
in
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot
of
demands.
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Post by George Conklin
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
tremendous
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market,
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it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the
shots.
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores
are
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid
more
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then
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the
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural
Georgia,
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage
very
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nicely
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a
whole
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All
while
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
being
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no
substitute
for
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Post by George Conklin
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
corporation
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
mroe
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
of
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates
in
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
rural
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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Post by Pat
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay.
For
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp
when
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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Post by Pat
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
provide
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something
that
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
is
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
more
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who
do
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
drive
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough
even
to
get
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
into a taxi.....
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they
are
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in.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want
a
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
book
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you
then
go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The
negative
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by Pat
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
to
15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax
revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't
count
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
the
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
just to
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
instance,
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Wal-Mart
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
will
Post by Amy Blankenship
normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item
that
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
costs
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's
wear
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
and
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local thieves? I
guess
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by ***@yahoo.com
had not thought about that angle. Are you sure you want to post
this???!!!- Hide quoted text -gainst
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
thefts
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts is
still
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of someone who
has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against you?
Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are voting with
their feet. I support the hundreds of millions, not an unhappy
teenager.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as
unethical.
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
You should really brush up on your reading comprehension and reread the
entire thread. I have been very clear and specific on what I find
unethical
Post by Amy Blankenship
about Wal-Mart's practices. Unfortunately, you seem to completely lack
the
Post by Amy Blankenship
capability to absorb any information that is contrary in any way to any
opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
-Amy
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.

Walmart provides two things that "local" stores do not: low prices and
selection. If I need new Fruit of the Looms, I am looking at the same
product in any store, so I go to the place that is the cheapest.
Walmart is also going to carry a selection of Fruit of the Looms and
some other brand. They carry the basics and necessities, have a
selection amoung them, and have a low price. It avoids the "rural
tax" of thing being more expensive in rural areas.

You need to think of Walmarts from a rural perspective. There is not
a lot of selection of things but most people are fairly plain and
simple -- folks, if you will. Walmart carrys everything you could
ever want -- I mean who could want anything more. If Walmart doesn't
carry it, you probably are going to get it. Okay, that's a bit of an
exaggeration, but not much. Sure it doesn't carry truffles and
caviar, but people living in rural areas generally don't want those
things. We think of fish eggs as bait, not caviar.

What I am not exaggerating is that I have walmarts that are 20 miles
to the east and the south plus 30 miles to the north. Don't even ask
about what's to the west. But they are the "local" stores because I
can't go buy my Fruits of the Loom any closer -- they are the closest
places. And when I go shopping, I want to get everything as close as
possible without running around to yet more stores.

I can buy tax-free gas and cigarettes on the Rez, but not underwear.

For people who like more "unusual" things, like books, you hit stores
when you travel. Or you use the world's largest department store --
the internet. In a rural area, Amazon.com is your friend. (but I
don't hear anyone bitching about them putting Mom and Pop book stores
out of business). The internet is Walmarts biggest competition, not
Mom and Pop stores.

Let me give you an example. I am busy for the next few days and need
a sheet of sheetrock. It's about $8.50. I called the local company
and they want $10 to deliver it even though they need to drive past my
house to make most of their other deliveries. That's $18.50 for a
piece of drywall. BULL. Sometime towards the end of the week I'll be
going west and there's a Home Depot there. I can get the drywall for
about $8 there and I'm driving past there anyway. So I'll get it
there and throw it in the back of my van. The local store didn't lose
the sale "because" of the big store, they lost it because of poor
service and the fact they I don't have to drive past their store.

Back to Walmart. Maybe they have people working off the clock. I
don't know but I've never met any. But I'm sure it has happened
somewhere at some time. That's bound to happen with a company that
big. But in general, it gets back to the principle of voting with
your feet. If the job is too bad, employees can vote with their
feet. Unfortunately, a low paying job with some hours off the clock
might still be better for some people in some places than any
available alternative. However I doubt that the practice is too
widespread -- at least around here -- because of the draconian
penalties if they get caught. For example, a worker who is "off the
clock" and who got hurt wouldn't be covered by Worker's Comp and could
sue the begeebers off of the company.

No, Walmart isn't God's gift to society. But it sure is a nice thing
to have in a rural area. In fact, my community is trying to ATTRACT a
Walmart but can't get one due to siting issues. It sure would be
convenient.
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
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It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need
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those........
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considering the educational requirements. Second off, they
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10
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Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical practices
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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Walmart provides two things that "local" stores do not: low prices and
selection. If I need new Fruit of the Looms, I am looking at the same
product in any store, so I go to the place that is the cheapest.
Walmart is also going to carry a selection of Fruit of the Looms and
some other brand. They carry the basics and necessities, have a
selection amoung them, and have a low price. It avoids the "rural
tax" of thing being more expensive in rural areas.
Correct on Fruit of the Loom. I shop at Wal-Mart for that too.
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You need to think of Walmarts from a rural perspective. There is not
a lot of selection of things but most people are fairly plain and
simple -- folks, if you will. Walmart carrys everything you could
ever want -- I mean who could want anything more.
The more well-to-do say "You can get everything you need for your second
home at Wal-Mart." I know, that is not very nice, but it does show they
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carry it, you probably are going to get it. Okay, that's a bit of an
exaggeration, but not much. Sure it doesn't carry truffles and
caviar, but people living in rural areas generally don't want those
things. We think of fish eggs as bait, not caviar.
What I am not exaggerating is that I have walmarts that are 20 miles
to the east and the south plus 30 miles to the north. Don't even ask
about what's to the west. But they are the "local" stores because I
can't go buy my Fruits of the Loom any closer -- they are the closest
places. And when I go shopping, I want to get everything as close as
possible without running around to yet more stores.
I can buy tax-free gas and cigarettes on the Rez, but not underwear.
For people who like more "unusual" things, like books, you hit stores
when you travel. Or you use the world's largest department store --
the internet. In a rural area, Amazon.com is your friend. (but I
don't hear anyone bitching about them putting Mom and Pop book stores
out of business). The internet is Walmarts biggest competition, not
Mom and Pop stores.
You can buy some nice pot boilers at Wal-Mart for a discount too.
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Let me give you an example. I am busy for the next few days and need
a sheet of sheetrock. It's about $8.50. I called the local company
and they want $10 to deliver it even though they need to drive past my
house to make most of their other deliveries. That's $18.50 for a
piece of drywall. BULL. Sometime towards the end of the week I'll be
going west and there's a Home Depot there. I can get the drywall for
about $8 there and I'm driving past there anyway. So I'll get it
there and throw it in the back of my van.
That is why I have a Suburban.


The local store didn't lose
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the sale "because" of the big store, they lost it because of poor
service and the fact they I don't have to drive past their store.
Back to Walmart. Maybe they have people working off the clock. I
don't know but I've never met any. But I'm sure it has happened
somewhere at some time. That's bound to happen with a company that
big. But in general, it gets back to the principle of voting with
your feet. If the job is too bad, employees can vote with their
feet. Unfortunately, a low paying job with some hours off the clock
might still be better for some people in some places than any
available alternative. However I doubt that the practice is too
widespread -- at least around here -- because of the draconian
penalties if they get caught. For example, a worker who is "off the
clock" and who got hurt wouldn't be covered by Worker's Comp and could
sue the begeebers off of the company.
No, Walmart isn't God's gift to society. But it sure is a nice thing
to have in a rural area. In fact, my community is trying to ATTRACT a
Walmart but can't get one due to siting issues. It sure would be
convenient.
Nice post.
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Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make
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considering the educational requirements. Second off,
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery,
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then
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the
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revenue
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts
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still
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against
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Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are
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with
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Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical
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Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
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opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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Walmart provides two things that "local" stores do not: low prices and
selection. If I need new Fruit of the Looms, I am looking at the same
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WalMarts quality is crap too.
Why can't wal mart just be more like target? Target gets along
fine without getting in trouble with business ethics.
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On May 4, 4:31 pm, "George Conklin"
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
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Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make
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of
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
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market,
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it
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shots.
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be
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$6
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W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
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Georgia,
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in
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Take care, Randy in Atlanta
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses.
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able
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substitute
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intelligence.
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I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like
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areas.
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competitors don't.
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then
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the
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revenue
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So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against
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Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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Walmart provides two things that "local" stores do not: low prices and
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WalMarts quality is crap too.
Why can't wal mart just be more like target? Target gets along
fine without getting in trouble with business ethics.
For one thing, the existence of Walmart is a disincentive for Target to
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
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Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
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Georgia,
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in
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Take care, Randy in Atlanta
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses.
All
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able
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intelligence.
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I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like
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mroe
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job --
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considering the educational requirements. Second off,
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provide
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs --
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery,
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important to elderly people who often can't drive.
Wal-Mart is
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True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends
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then
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the
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revenue
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Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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WalMarts quality is crap too.
Why can't wal mart just be more like target? Target gets along
fine without getting in trouble with business ethics.
For one thing, the existence of Walmart is a disincentive for Target to
raise prices willy-nilly.
Good point.

Plus Mr. Not-So-Cool has missed a HUGE contradiction in his
arguements. He likes Mom and Pops stores for being ... small and
expensive I guess. So he hates Walmart because he (erroneously)
thinks that it puts them on the endangered species list. But he's
okay with mass-marketers Target for doing the same things. It must be
that Target has a cooler logo or something.
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
manage
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very
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nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in
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Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up
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whole
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rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses.
All
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while
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being
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is
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substitute
for
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept
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I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like
we need
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mroe
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of
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart
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in
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rural
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
okay.
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For
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job --
esp
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when
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considering the educational requirements. Second off,
they
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provide
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs --
something the
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery,
something
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that
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more
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important to elderly people who often can't drive.
Wal-Mart is
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inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends
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do
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drive
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap
enough
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even
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Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town
they
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in.
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If
you want
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a
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book
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs,
you
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then
go
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The
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negative
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the
town 10
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to
15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales
tax
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revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you
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direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the
Wal-Mart
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just to
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be there) often ouge tweigh the sales tax revenue. For
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costs
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against
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Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are
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with
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Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical
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I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as
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Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
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opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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Walmart provides two things that "local" stores do not: low prices and
selection. If I need new Fruit of the Looms, I am looking at the same
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WalMarts quality is crap too.
Why can't wal mart just be more like target? Target gets along
fine without getting in trouble with business ethics.
For one thing, the existence of Walmart is a disincentive for Target to
raise prices willy-nilly.
Good point.
Plus Mr. Not-So-Cool has missed a HUGE contradiction in his
arguements. He likes Mom and Pops stores for being ... small and
expensive I guess. So he hates Walmart because he (erroneously)
thinks that it puts them on the endangered species list. But he's
okay with mass-marketers Target for doing the same things. It must be
that Target has a cooler logo or something.
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
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We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.

Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.

What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.

They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.

Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.

Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
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We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
What-do-you-know. After I wrote this I was reading the news and found
this:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/08/business/package.php
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We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.
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We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.
This is a man who thinks that high prices benefit the poor. Perverted.
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We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.
This is a man who thinks that high prices benefit the poor. Perverted.
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart. Not sure where
you
got that High prices benifit the poor thing. And idk why you people
think I am rich.
I live in a pretty good neighborhod relativly to other places in
Minneapolis but I dont live on a lake or anything.
We do get freak crime like when our car got stolen last summer or when
me and my friend got jumped off of our bikes.
But anyways yea their are ways that Wal Mart can treat their workers
with respect and have low prices.
Pat
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We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.
This is a man who thinks that high prices benefit the poor. Perverted.
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart. Not sure where
you
got that High prices benifit the poor thing. And idk why you people
think I am rich.
I live in a pretty good neighborhod relativly to other places in
Minneapolis but I dont live on a lake or anything.
We do get freak crime like when our car got stolen last summer or when
me and my friend got jumped off of our bikes.
But anyways yea their are ways that Wal Mart can treat their workers
with respect and have low prices.
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-11 01:07:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
On May 9, 7:33 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.
This is a man who thinks that high prices benefit the poor. Perverted.
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart. Not sure where
you
got that High prices benifit the poor thing. And idk why you people
think I am rich.
I live in a pretty good neighborhod relativly to other places in
Minneapolis but I dont live on a lake or anything.
We do get freak crime like when our car got stolen last summer or when
me and my friend got jumped off of our bikes.
But anyways yea their are ways that Wal Mart can treat their workers
with respect and have low prices.
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Not that this really means anything but we qualify for finacial aid
wherever we apply for it,
including the lowest costing private school in the state I currently
go to. Before my dad got his
new job we were soly on my mom's income and my dad's unemployment
money. And well my "preppy school rich" friends live in Philips
neighbor, one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis, and his dad
just got his last unemployment pay check so not sure where their gonna
get their money you know their prabaly rich anyways.
And I have to help my parents pay for my tuition during the summer
with an asortment of Jobs. Last year I gave my parents a grand total
of 900 dollors to help pay for tuition. And we can't afford my
driviers traing yet unless my mom gets a bonus from her job. Im not
living on the streets, but my parents do have enough money to send me
to a school where you actally lean as apossed to Mpls public schools.
http://www.trinityschools.org
george conklin
2007-05-11 11:24:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Not that this really means anything but we qualify for finacial aid
wherever we apply for it,
including the lowest costing private school in the state I currently
go to. Before my dad got his
new job we were soly on my mom's income and my dad's unemployment
money. And well my "preppy school rich" friends live in Philips
neighbor, one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis, and his dad
just got his last unemployment pay check so not sure where their gonna
get their money you know their prabaly rich anyways.
And I have to help my parents pay for my tuition during the summer
with an asortment of Jobs. Last year I gave my parents a grand total
of 900 dollors to help pay for tuition. And we can't afford my
driviers traing yet unless my mom gets a bonus from her job. Im not
living on the streets, but my parents do have enough money to send me
to a school where you actally lean as apossed to Mpls public schools.
http://www.trinityschools.org
The entire Smart Growth movement is found among the well-to-do, the
preppy-style educational institutions, and those who want fewer people
around them in the suburbs so they can have estates without people around,
like in England.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-11 12:20:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Not that this really means anything but we qualify for finacial aid
wherever we apply for it,
including the lowest costing private school in the state I currently
go to. Before my dad got his
new job we were soly on my mom's income and my dad's unemployment
money. And well my "preppy school rich" friends live in Philips
neighbor, one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis, and his dad
just got his last unemployment pay check so not sure where their gonna
get their money you know their prabaly rich anyways.
And I have to help my parents pay for my tuition during the summer
with an asortment of Jobs. Last year I gave my parents a grand total
of 900 dollors to help pay for tuition. And we can't afford my
driviers traing yet unless my mom gets a bonus from her job. Im not
living on the streets, but my parents do have enough money to send me
to a school where you actally lean as apossed to Mpls public schools.
http://www.trinityschools.org
The entire Smart Growth movement is found among the well-to-do, the
preppy-style educational institutions, and those who want fewer people
around them in the suburbs so they can have estates without people around,
like in England.
Whatever, Im not a prep, at my grade school I was a minority. Preps
tend to not get jumped, or
get their bikes stolen so many times that they have to keep them
inside their house. Or get their
house smashed by a car 7 times in 14 years. Or get their house broken
into. Just because I go
to a private schoo doesent mean im a rich ass prep. It just means I
actally get an education. Trinity is
actally not very expensive compared to other private schools. If I
couldnt afford to go to Trinity I would be poor,
considering my friend has been able to pay the tuition with the money
his mom gets for taking care of
her son who has down syndrome. George how many times have you ever had
to run home from the local
Gas Station because you were being chased down? Or has anyone ever
been shot at a local park
a block away from your house while you were walking down the street
that rides along it?
but back to Wal*Mart.
george conklin
2007-05-11 13:38:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Not that this really means anything but we qualify for finacial aid
wherever we apply for it,
including the lowest costing private school in the state I currently
go to. Before my dad got his
new job we were soly on my mom's income and my dad's unemployment
money. And well my "preppy school rich" friends live in Philips
neighbor, one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis, and his dad
just got his last unemployment pay check so not sure where their gonna
get their money you know their prabaly rich anyways.
And I have to help my parents pay for my tuition during the summer
with an asortment of Jobs. Last year I gave my parents a grand total
of 900 dollors to help pay for tuition. And we can't afford my
driviers traing yet unless my mom gets a bonus from her job. Im not
living on the streets, but my parents do have enough money to send me
to a school where you actally lean as apossed to Mpls public schools.
http://www.trinityschools.org
The entire Smart Growth movement is found among the well-to-do, the
preppy-style educational institutions, and those who want fewer people
around them in the suburbs so they can have estates without people around,
like in England.
Whatever, Im not a prep, at my grade school I was a minority. Preps
tend to not get jumped, or
get their bikes stolen
Look, your current views are preppy. I am not concerned with your looks.
And yes, in a city, you have to be very, very careful when you are young.
Been there, done that.
Pat
2007-05-11 14:44:22 UTC
Permalink
On May 11, 8:20 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Not that this really means anything but we qualify for finacial aid
wherever we apply for it,
including the lowest costing private school in the state I currently
go to. Before my dad got his
new job we were soly on my mom's income and my dad's unemployment
money. And well my "preppy school rich" friends live in Philips
neighbor, one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis, and his dad
just got his last unemployment pay check so not sure where their gonna
get their money you know their prabaly rich anyways.
And I have to help my parents pay for my tuition during the summer
with an asortment of Jobs. Last year I gave my parents a grand total
of 900 dollors to help pay for tuition. And we can't afford my
driviers traing yet unless my mom gets a bonus from her job. Im not
living on the streets, but my parents do have enough money to send me
to a school where you actally lean as apossed to Mpls public schools.
http://www.trinityschools.org
The entire Smart Growth movement is found among the well-to-do, the
preppy-style educational institutions, and those who want fewer people
around them in the suburbs so they can have estates without people around,
like in England.
Whatever, Im not a prep, at my grade school I was a minority. Preps
tend to not get jumped, or
get their bikes stolen so many times that they have to keep them
inside their house. Or get their
house smashed by a car 7 times in 14 years. Or get their house broken
into. Just because I go
to a private schoo doesent mean im a rich ass prep. It just means I
actally get an education. Trinity is
actally not very expensive compared to other private schools. If I
couldnt afford to go to Trinity I would be poor,
considering my friend has been able to pay the tuition with the money
his mom gets for taking care of
her son who has down syndrome. George how many times have you ever had
to run home from the local
Gas Station because you were being chased down? Or has anyone ever
been shot at a local park
a block away from your house while you were walking down the street
that rides along it?
but back to Wal*Mart.
You're histerical.

You worry about your busy intersection. Your house gets hit by cars
on a monthly basis.

You worry about your father not being able to find work.

You work to help support your education because your schools are so
bad.

You get beat up in private school.

You get chased on the way home from the gas station.

You get shot at in the park.

All of this and you wonder why people move out of the city and like
living in the suburbs. You're the best arguement there is for leaving
Dodge.
george conklin
2007-05-11 16:28:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:20 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Not that this really means anything but we qualify for finacial aid
wherever we apply for it,
including the lowest costing private school in the state I currently
go to. Before my dad got his
new job we were soly on my mom's income and my dad's unemployment
money. And well my "preppy school rich" friends live in Philips
neighbor, one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis, and his dad
just got his last unemployment pay check so not sure where their gonna
get their money you know their prabaly rich anyways.
And I have to help my parents pay for my tuition during the summer
with an asortment of Jobs. Last year I gave my parents a grand total
of 900 dollors to help pay for tuition. And we can't afford my
driviers traing yet unless my mom gets a bonus from her job. Im not
living on the streets, but my parents do have enough money to send me
to a school where you actally lean as apossed to Mpls public schools.
http://www.trinityschools.org
The entire Smart Growth movement is found among the well-to-do, the
preppy-style educational institutions, and those who want fewer people
around them in the suburbs so they can have estates without people around,
like in England.
Whatever, Im not a prep, at my grade school I was a minority. Preps
tend to not get jumped, or
get their bikes stolen so many times that they have to keep them
inside their house. Or get their
house smashed by a car 7 times in 14 years. Or get their house broken
into. Just because I go
to a private schoo doesent mean im a rich ass prep. It just means I
actally get an education. Trinity is
actally not very expensive compared to other private schools. If I
couldnt afford to go to Trinity I would be poor,
considering my friend has been able to pay the tuition with the money
his mom gets for taking care of
her son who has down syndrome. George how many times have you ever had
to run home from the local
Gas Station because you were being chased down? Or has anyone ever
been shot at a local park
a block away from your house while you were walking down the street
that rides along it?
but back to Wal*Mart.
You're histerical.
You worry about your busy intersection. Your house gets hit by cars
on a monthly basis.
You worry about your father not being able to find work.
You work to help support your education because your schools are so
bad.
You get beat up in private school.
You get chased on the way home from the gas station.
You get shot at in the park.
All of this and you wonder why people move out of the city and like
living in the suburbs. You're the best arguement there is for leaving
Dodge.
Actually the FBI data are the best..
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-12 01:08:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
On May 11, 8:20 am, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
Why do we think you are rich. Because you are. You said you go to a
private school where almost all of the teachers have PhDs. In all
likelihood, your tuition -- alone -- is more than some people around
here live on. If you can afford private schools for two kids, then
you're rich. You probably don't think so because of all of your
preppy friends who are also rich and go to the same private school.
Not that this really means anything but we qualify for finacial aid
wherever we apply for it,
including the lowest costing private school in the state I currently
go to. Before my dad got his
new job we were soly on my mom's income and my dad's unemployment
money. And well my "preppy school rich" friends live in Philips
neighbor, one of the worst neighborhoods in Minneapolis, and his dad
just got his last unemployment pay check so not sure where their gonna
get their money you know their prabaly rich anyways.
And I have to help my parents pay for my tuition during the summer
with an asortment of Jobs. Last year I gave my parents a grand total
of 900 dollors to help pay for tuition. And we can't afford my
driviers traing yet unless my mom gets a bonus from her job. Im not
living on the streets, but my parents do have enough money to send me
to a school where you actally lean as apossed to Mpls public schools.
http://www.trinityschools.org
The entire Smart Growth movement is found among the well-to-do, the
preppy-style educational institutions, and those who want fewer people
around them in the suburbs so they can have estates without people around,
like in England.
Whatever, Im not a prep, at my grade school I was a minority. Preps
tend to not get jumped, or
get their bikes stolen so many times that they have to keep them
inside their house. Or get their
house smashed by a car 7 times in 14 years. Or get their house broken
into. Just because I go
to a private schoo doesent mean im a rich ass prep. It just means I
actally get an education. Trinity is
actally not very expensive compared to other private schools. If I
couldnt afford to go to Trinity I would be poor,
considering my friend has been able to pay the tuition with the money
his mom gets for taking care of
her son who has down syndrome. George how many times have you ever had
to run home from the local
Gas Station because you were being chased down? Or has anyone ever
been shot at a local park
a block away from your house while you were walking down the street
that rides along it?
but back to Wal*Mart.
You're histerical.
You worry about your busy intersection. Your house gets hit by cars
on a monthly basis.
You worry about your father not being able to find work.
You work to help support your education because your schools are so
bad.
You get beat up in private school.
You get chased on the way home from the gas station.
You get shot at in the park.
All of this and you wonder why people move out of the city and like
living in the suburbs. You're the best arguement there is for leaving
Dodge.
Umm I dont get beat up at my school.
I dont get shot a in the park.
And its freak crimes because i live on the boarder of good part bad
part.
If I lived one block away non of this stuff would happen.
And sure more stuff happens living in the city, but at least stuff
happens.
Shit happens in the real world. You need to deal with it instead of
fleeing away
to refuge. And I would take this stuff any day over being a teen aged
emo kid
who has nothing in the world to complaing about so he has to complain
about everything.
And you think I change my points? FIrst you call me rich? Now poor?
Seems you do anything to prove me
wrong. You have to take the good with the bad. The bad part of living
in the city is theres more crime. The good part is
that theres more cultures to learn about living right around you.
Example I went to a Athentic Mexican food resturant with my day about
a week ago and we were the only white person their, but nobody cared,
nobody even noticed. Living with diversity, some the western world
should learn how to do.
george conklin
2007-05-10 11:25:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.
This is a man who thinks that high prices benefit the poor. Perverted.
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart.
So now you are saying that Wal-Mart's customers are only their own
employees. Another strange concept.
Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
2007-05-09 23:35:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.
This is a man who thinks that high prices benefit the poor. Perverted.
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart. Not sure where
you
got that High prices benifit the poor thing. And idk why you people
think I am rich.
I live in a pretty good neighborhod relativly to other places in
Minneapolis but I dont live on a lake or anything.
We do get freak crime like when our car got stolen last summer or when
me and my friend got jumped off of our bikes.
But anyways yea their are ways that Wal Mart can treat their workers
with respect and have low prices.
george conklin
2007-05-10 11:26:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart.
You once again confirm your strange ideas. Wal-Mart does not need to sell
to its own employees.
Pat
2007-05-10 16:35:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart.
You once again confirm your strange ideas. Wal-Mart does not need to sell
to its own employees.
It's just a case of bad wording. Look at your typical Lexus. One
could use Mr. Cool's logic to say that "if General Motors" adequately
paid the people who worked for them, then they wouldn't have to drive
General Motor products".
george conklin
2007-05-10 16:38:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
No, I said that if Wal Mart paid the people that work for them then
they would not be forced to *have* to shop at Wal Mart.
You once again confirm your strange ideas. Wal-Mart does not need to sell
to its own employees.
It's just a case of bad wording. Look at your typical Lexus. One
could use Mr. Cool's logic to say that "if General Motors" adequately
paid the people who worked for them, then they wouldn't have to drive
General Motor products".
Well, that was why Ford raised his workers's pay to $5 a day, when $2.50 was
the norm. He wanted them to buy his cars. But then profits went to the
workers. No longer the fact. The model T went for as low as $500 for a
reference point.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-10 23:53:37 UTC
Permalink
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.

They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.

Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.

I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.

If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costco is a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hate Costco website.

NYC will get along very well without W-M. They don't particularly
need the jobs or another retailer. Something George cannot
comprehend. There are plenty of both there.

W-M is in NJ. They built a huge super center in Piscataway. I am
sure it cost them a pretty penny, and they have to pay a lot more then
they pay in rural areas.

I don't necessarily hate W-M, just some fo the things they do in the
name of the all holy (to them) profit.


Take care, Randy in Raleigh, NC
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-11 13:01:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costco is a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hate Costco website.
NYC will get along very well without W-M. They don't particularly
need the jobs or another retailer. Something George cannot
comprehend. There are plenty of both there.
W-M is in NJ. They built a huge super center in Piscataway. I am
sure it cost them a pretty penny, and they have to pay a lot more then
they pay in rural areas.
I don't necessarily hate W-M, just some fo the things they do in the
name of the all holy (to them) profit.
No, if you don't fall in lock step with Wal-Mart's plan for world
domination, you "hate" it.

-Amy
Pat
2007-05-11 18:56:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.

In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
(which I know fairly well), you'd find:

Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0

That probably about a 500 m^2 area.

So it really doesn't matter to me how great Costco's or Target's
business practices are when they don't have stores around here, now
does it.

I'd say that the predominant issue for me is "do they provide ME with
a store". Only Walmart does. Those other stores discriminate against
us rural folks and only cater to you upscale, yuppy, urban types. So
until you live in a rural area and Walmart is the only real shopping
in the region, then you don't understand the good that Walmart does.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
NYC will get along very well without W-M. They don't particularly
need the jobs or another retailer. Something George cannot
comprehend. There are plenty of both there.
W-M is in NJ. They built a huge super center in Piscataway. I am
sure it cost them a pretty penny, and they have to pay a lot more then
they pay in rural areas.
I don't necessarily hate W-M, just some fo the things they do in the
name of the all holy (to them) profit.
Take care, Randy in Raleigh, NC
george conklin
2007-05-11 19:28:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic"
advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.
In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0
Interesting, but then upstate NY is the rust belt.
Pat
2007-05-11 20:15:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic"
advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.
In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0
Interesting, but then upstate NY is the rust belt.
Actually, I think it's just much more rural than people think it is.
The Adirondacks and Catskills are even more rural. Outside of
Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse, there's not much west of
Albany. ... and we like it that way.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-12 03:06:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does
not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more
class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.
In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0
Interesting, but then upstate NY is the rust belt.
Actually, I think it's just much more rural than people think it is.
The Adirondacks and Catskills are even more rural. Outside of
Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse, there's not much west of
Albany. ... and we like it that way.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
whoa, Nellie, whoa, please. If you read the post on Rochester, I
stated that I had a lot of family in Upstate NY. I am VERY famililar
with all of NY State, ok. So lets go from that premise.

Yes, I agree with you, Chautaqua, Catteraugus, Erie, beyond the
Southtowns, Allegheny, Counties are VERY rural. Always have been and
probably always will be. BTW, I have been to Mayville, Little Valley,
and Belmont.

Yes, W-M is huge, I realize that very well. It is the largest
corporation in the world. Probably the largest in the history of the
world. But that does not mean that it has to operate the way it
does. That is all I am saying.

I shop there myself. It is convenient, that is the only reason. I am
far from a yuppie.

Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.

Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.

I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.

And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.


Take care, Randy
george conklin
2007-05-12 10:45:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does
not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more
class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more
"chic",
and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like.
Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic" advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About
Easter-time
NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going
to
work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.
In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0
Interesting, but then upstate NY is the rust belt.
Actually, I think it's just much more rural than people think it is.
The Adirondacks and Catskills are even more rural. Outside of
Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse, there's not much west of
Albany. ... and we like it that way.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
whoa, Nellie, whoa, please. If you read the post on Rochester, I
stated that I had a lot of family in Upstate NY. I am VERY famililar
with all of NY State, ok. So lets go from that premise.
Yes, I agree with you, Chautaqua, Catteraugus, Erie, beyond the
Southtowns, Allegheny, Counties are VERY rural. Always have been and
probably always will be. BTW, I have been to Mayville, Little Valley,
and Belmont.
Yes, W-M is huge, I realize that very well. It is the largest
corporation in the world. Probably the largest in the history of the
world. But that does not mean that it has to operate the way it
does. That is all I am saying.
I shop there myself. It is convenient, that is the only reason. I am
far from a yuppie.
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good? You
pay them.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-12 17:36:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be
to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal
does
not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of
their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot
more
class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more
"chic",
and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like.
Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you
lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic"
advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About
Easter-time
NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods
and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very
interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to
come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost
money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily
pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going
to
work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.
In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0
Interesting, but then upstate NY is the rust belt.
Actually, I think it's just much more rural than people think it is.
The Adirondacks and Catskills are even more rural. Outside of
Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse, there's not much west of
Albany. ... and we like it that way.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
whoa, Nellie, whoa, please. If you read the post on Rochester, I
stated that I had a lot of family in Upstate NY. I am VERY famililar
with all of NY State, ok. So lets go from that premise.
Yes, I agree with you, Chautaqua, Catteraugus, Erie, beyond the
Southtowns, Allegheny, Counties are VERY rural. Always have been and
probably always will be. BTW, I have been to Mayville, Little Valley,
and Belmont.
Yes, W-M is huge, I realize that very well. It is the largest
corporation in the world. Probably the largest in the history of the
world. But that does not mean that it has to operate the way it
does. That is all I am saying.
I shop there myself. It is convenient, that is the only reason. I am
far from a yuppie.
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good? You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city, Upstate NY is failed, so on and so forth. I am not the
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?

I do not think everything is bad. I happend to be very fond of Philly
and upstste NY and a lot of other urban areas you consider failed.

I told you I shop at W-M for convenience. But what do you thing for
forcing Assoc to work off the clock? What do you think of the
lawsuits agains W-M, which have been successful. I know, it is
because the federal judges hate W-M also. Why don't you address
that, instead of just saying that I hate W-M.

So it is better for W-M to keep low prices and force their Assoc onto
Medicaid where you are paing the bill, rather then W-M so they can
make their huge profits. Sounds great to me. And while we are at it,
they force their suppliers to force their emp on to medicaid to keep W-
M profits high.

Did you ever hear the expression "pay me now or pay me later...you are
going to pay"?

So you must be in favor of govt paying medicaid so W-M can keep their
wages low and pay people crap. I know that goes over real well in the
workers paradise of NC.

George, you can never, ever answer anything, all you do is state your
rediculous name calling.

How did you ever become a college prof?


Take care, Randy
george conklin
2007-05-12 19:15:35 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by Pat
Post by george conklin
Post by Pat
Post by ***@yahoo.com
On May 9, 4:51 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
Post by Pat
<major snip>
Post by Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]
We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just
be
to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal
does
not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of
their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot
more
class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more
"chic",
and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of
"the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like.
Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU
like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you
lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic"
advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About
Easter-time
NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods
and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very
interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to
come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost
money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily
pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box --
plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel.
That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only
they
had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going
to
work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
Is Wal Mart breaking the law? Are they commenting a crime? In my
opinion no. But Im sure the people
at Wal Mart Ffunked their business ethics course, if they ever had
one.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking
about
a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You
can
get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and
W-M
is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more
then
W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't
see
an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.
In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0
Interesting, but then upstate NY is the rust belt.
Actually, I think it's just much more rural than people think it is.
The Adirondacks and Catskills are even more rural. Outside of
Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse, there's not much west of
Albany. ... and we like it that way.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
whoa, Nellie, whoa, please. If you read the post on Rochester, I
stated that I had a lot of family in Upstate NY. I am VERY famililar
with all of NY State, ok. So lets go from that premise.
Yes, I agree with you, Chautaqua, Catteraugus, Erie, beyond the
Southtowns, Allegheny, Counties are VERY rural. Always have been and
probably always will be. BTW, I have been to Mayville, Little Valley,
and Belmont.
Yes, W-M is huge, I realize that very well. It is the largest
corporation in the world. Probably the largest in the history of the
world. But that does not mean that it has to operate the way it
does. That is all I am saying.
I shop there myself. It is convenient, that is the only reason. I am
far from a yuppie.
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good? You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.


Upstate NY is failed,

Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see that the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.

so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I do not think everything is bad. I happend to be very fond of Philly
and upstste NY and a lot of other urban areas you consider failed.
I told you I shop at W-M for convenience. But what do you thing for
forcing Assoc to work off the clock?
That probably should be stopped, but most of us do not keep clocks
anymore. We work until the job is done.


What do you think of the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
lawsuits agains W-M, which have been successful. I know, it is
because the federal judges hate W-M also. Why don't you address
that, instead of just saying that I hate W-M.
So it is better for W-M to keep low prices and force their Assoc onto
Medicaid where you are paing the bill, rather then W-M so they can
make their huge profits.
Local stores paid their help even less than Wal-Mart. If you want
socialized medicine, then say so. Medicare for All Ages is my motto.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-14 09:19:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good? You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see that the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.

The south and the Sunbelt remain dirt poor, with a couple of
exceptions like Raleigh and Charlotte.

I will grant you Kodak had some mgmt problems, but Rochester, Monroe
County remain much weathier then most counties in the South/Sunbelt.
Post by george conklin
so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
What areas, China??? The wealth of the US remains in the Northeast
and Great Lakes. As I said, out
side of Raleigh and Charlotte, there ain't much in the South/Sunbelt
except poverty and ignorance.

You know something else George, textiles were big in the South after
they left the higher cost places in the North. What happened then.
They went to even cheaper places in Latin America and the Far East.
So I guess the South has failed, because they lost the only viable
industry they ever had.

Let me ask you something else, what is going to happen to place like
NC, SC, GA, and FL that depend on low wages and low energy prices as
gas keeps going up and up and up?

Do you know anything about FL. I spent the last year and a half down
there. 60% on the houses in the biggest counties in the state are for
sale. Property taxes are going up and up and up, house/property and
commercial insurance is going in the same direction. Except for the
coastal areas, the state is dirt poor. Palm Beach county is one of
the poorest counties in the US. So I guess FL is a failed state.

FL has grown and grown to become what the fourth largest state in the
nation. My parents moved down there in 75. People expected to
remain a very cheap place to retire. They were wrong.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I do not think everything is bad. I happend to be very fond of Philly
and upstste NY and a lot of other urban areas you consider failed.
I told you I shop at W-M for convenience. But what do you thing for
forcing Assoc to work off the clock?
That probably should be stopped, but most of us do not keep clocks
anymore. We work until the job is done.
What do you think of the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
lawsuits agains W-M, which have been successful. I know, it is
because the federal judges hate W-M also. Why don't you address
that, instead of just saying that I hate W-M.
You say people work until the job is done. So everyone is mgmt
according to you. Hourly workers should work for nothing right? Or
maybe a company that makes the kind of money W-M does should pay them
for every minute they work. Forcing someone to work without paying
them is considered slavery. You do know there are federal labor laws,
but of course W-M wants to see the few that still remain repealed.

But of course W-M is doing them a favor by giving them a job. Such
is life in the US in the 21st century
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
So it is better for W-M to keep low prices and force their Assoc onto
Medicaid where you are paing the bill, rather then W-M so they can
make their huge profits.
Local stores paid their help even less than Wal-Mart. If you want
socialized medicine, then say so. Medicare for All Ages is my motto.
I am in a state of shock at that one, someone please revive me. Are
you serious, suggesting something liberal???

It is not a question of what I want. You should answer the question.
Should W-M assoc be forced on to Medicaid so that
W-M keeps it profits high.?

If you note GM was the largest corp in the world for a long time. No
one that ever worked for them was forced onto medicaid.
Notwithstanding that is the reason they are staring bankruptcy in the
face.

And you know something else, you make it seem like W-M has low prices
on every item they sell. Lower then anyone in business anywhere. I
can assure you that is not true. You can do better at Home Depot and
Office Max. On books you can do better at Barnes and Noble, and they
have a much wider selection.. I have even gotten cheaper prices at K
Mart.

But people want to believe W-M is so dirt cheap and they are not.
They just, like you assume it is such.


Take care, Randy
george conklin
2007-05-14 11:02:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see that the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It is basically
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which are in
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen on hard
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be prosperous too
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.

As for Philadelphia,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
The south and the Sunbelt remain dirt poor, with a couple of
exceptions like Raleigh and Charlotte.
Wrong again. You don't read data. The Economist discussed this issue
last month. In the south today, incomes are 92% of the national average.
If you take into account lower costs, they exceed the national average. And
yes, there are poor regions, rural ones. Poverty today is a rural issue.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I will grant you Kodak had some mgmt problems, but Rochester, Monroe
County remain much weathier then most counties in the South/Sunbelt.
Post by george conklin
so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
What areas, China??? The wealth of the US remains in the Northeast
and Great Lakes. As I said, out
side of Raleigh and Charlotte, there ain't much in the South/Sunbelt
except poverty and ignorance.
Again you igore the decline of the North. Like Ohio. Like Detroit. And
you are wrong in terms of your economic data. Check out the Economist on
this subject.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
You know something else George, textiles were big in the South after
they left the higher cost places in the North. What happened then.
They went to even cheaper places in Latin America and the Far East.
So I guess the South has failed, because they lost the only viable
industry they ever had.
So? Add furniture too. But they are being replaced with new industries.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you something else, what is going to happen to place like
NC, SC, GA, and FL that depend on low wages and low energy prices as
gas keeps going up and up and up?
They will have the same problems as Detroit and Ohio.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Do you know anything about FL. I spent the last year and a half down
there. 60% on the houses in the biggest counties in the state are for
sale.
Well, enough of your lies. 60% of the houses in FL are NOT for sale and
you know it. Those in forclosure today are most heavily concentrated in
Ohio.
Pat
2007-05-14 15:11:19 UTC
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Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see that the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It is basically
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which
are in
Post by george conklin
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen on hard
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be
prosperous too
Post by george conklin
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.
Damn you guys are depressing me. I didn't know we were this bad and
we had fallen on hard times. This area isn't too bad compared to
where I grew up in the eastern part of the state. We were so poor
then (and so was everyone else) that we didn't even know we were
poor. No one had any money so you never even knew there were rich
people.

But now you guys have gotten me depressed :-(
Post by george conklin
As for Philadelphia,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
The south and the Sunbelt remain dirt poor, with a couple of
exceptions like Raleigh and Charlotte.
Wrong again. You don't read data. The Economist discussed this issue
last month. In the south today, incomes are 92% of the national average.
If you take into account lower costs, they exceed the national average. And
yes, there are poor regions, rural ones. Poverty today is a rural issue.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I will grant you Kodak had some mgmt problems, but Rochester, Monroe
County remain much weathier then most counties in the South/Sunbelt.
Post by george conklin
so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
What areas, China??? The wealth of the US remains in the Northeast
and Great Lakes. As I said, out
side of Raleigh and Charlotte, there ain't much in the South/Sunbelt
except poverty and ignorance.
Again you igore the decline of the North. Like Ohio. Like Detroit. And
you are wrong in terms of your economic data. Check out the Economist on
this subject.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
You know something else George, textiles were big in the South after
they left the higher cost places in the North. What happened then.
They went to even cheaper places in Latin America and the Far East.
So I guess the South has failed, because they lost the only viable
industry they ever had.
So? Add furniture too. But they are being replaced with new industries.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you something else, what is going to happen to place like
NC, SC, GA, and FL that depend on low wages and low energy prices as
gas keeps going up and up and up?
They will have the same problems as Detroit and Ohio.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Do you know anything about FL. I spent the last year and a half down
there. 60% on the houses in the biggest counties in the state are for
sale.
Well, enough of your lies. 60% of the houses in FL are NOT for sale and
you know it. Those in forclosure today are most heavily concentrated in
Ohio.
Sancho Panza
2007-05-14 15:18:26 UTC
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Post by george conklin
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be
incapable
of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse
than
most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good.
Shame
on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see
that
the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It
is basically
Post by george conklin
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which
are in
Post by george conklin
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen
on hard
Post by george conklin
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be
prosperous too
Post by george conklin
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.
Damn you guys are depressing me. I didn't know we were this bad and
we had fallen on hard times. This area isn't too bad compared to
where I grew up in the eastern part of the state. We were so poor
then (and so was everyone else) that we didn't even know we were
poor. No one had any money so you never even knew there were rich
people.
You won't have to go too far to see how the world outside New York is
faring. The two richest states in the union are next door. You can even look
at booming suburbs in other states like Texas, New Hampshire, Nevada and on
and on and then start asking what has been happening to New York for the
last 20 or 30 years.
george conklin
2007-05-14 16:06:53 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by george conklin
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want,
as
you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be
incapable
of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you
are
the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse
than
most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good.
Shame
on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see
that
the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It
is basically
Post by george conklin
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which
are in
Post by george conklin
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen
on hard
Post by george conklin
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be
prosperous too
Post by george conklin
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.
Damn you guys are depressing me. I didn't know we were this bad and
we had fallen on hard times. This area isn't too bad compared to
where I grew up in the eastern part of the state. We were so poor
then (and so was everyone else) that we didn't even know we were
poor. No one had any money so you never even knew there were rich
people.
You won't have to go too far to see how the world outside New York is
faring. The two richest states in the union are next door. You can even
look at booming suburbs in other states like Texas, New Hampshire, Nevada
and on and on and then start asking what has been happening to New York
for the last 20 or 30 years.
Ohio is not doing very well. As the Economist pointed out, 7 million people
(not counting the illegals) have moved south since 2000, and all voluntarily
too.
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-15 02:43:31 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be incapable of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see that the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It is basically
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which are in
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen on hard
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be prosperous too
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.
As for Philadelphia,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
The south and the Sunbelt remain dirt poor, with a couple of
exceptions like Raleigh and Charlotte.
Wrong again. You don't read data. The Economist discussed this issue
last month. In the south today, incomes are 92% of the national average.
If you take into account lower costs, they exceed the national average. And
yes, there are poor regions, rural ones. Poverty today is a rural issue.
There are no poor areas in Raleigh, Charlotte, Greensboro, Winston-
Salem, Fayetteville, Asheville, Greenville, Wilson, Rocky Mount, or
Wilmington?????

Again, you just pluck figures that back you point and ignore the more
relevent ones. Per Capita income in the south has grown, but it is
still very low considering the national average, and compared to the
northeast. What do they say about that, George???

Considering the largest private employer in NC is Wal-Mart, I doubt if
that figure will be increasing.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I will grant you Kodak had some mgmt problems, but Rochester, Monroe
County remain much weathier then most counties in the South/Sunbelt.
Post by george conklin
so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
What areas, China??? The wealth of the US remains in the Northeast
and Great Lakes. As I said, out
side of Raleigh and Charlotte, there ain't much in the South/Sunbelt
except poverty and ignorance.
Again you igore the decline of the North. Like Ohio. Like Detroit. And
you are wrong in terms of your economic data. Check out the Economist on
this subject.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
You know something else George, textiles were big in the South after
they left the higher cost places in the North. What happened then.
They went to even cheaper places in Latin America and the Far East.
So I guess the South has failed, because they lost the only viable
industry they ever had.
So? Add furniture too. But they are being replaced with new industries.
Yepper, a huge high paying industry, that furniture biz.
The largest private employer in NC remains Wal-Mart and we all know
how high paying they are.

The new industries w/the exception of banking in Charlotte, are
generally speaking, high paying for the top echelon, and they employ
very few unskilled people. For the third time, the largest private
employer in NC is Wal-Mart.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you something else, what is going to happen to place like
NC, SC, GA, and FL that depend on low wages and low energy prices as
gas keeps going up and up and up?
They will have the same problems as Detroit and Ohio.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Do you know anything about FL. I spent the last year and a half down
there. 60% on the houses in the biggest counties in the state are for
sale.
Well, enough of your lies. 60% of the houses in FL are NOT for sale and
you know it. Those in forclosure today are most heavily concentrated in
Ohio.- Hide quoted text -
George, if you would care to re-read what I said, it was the largest
URBAN COUNTIES, I will repeat that, the largest URBAN COUNTIES, that
had 60% of the residences for sale.

Of course there is not a 60% rate in the whole state.

Why do you twist things around to fit your wrong headed theories????

FL is number 2 or 3 in forclosures, CA is number 2, something like
that.

Please George, quit twisting figures, and quit just using selective
stats. Look at the whole picture and you will see just how dirt poor
the south remains, urban and rural..


Take care, Randy
george conklin
2007-05-15 11:11:06 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be
incapable
of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse
than
most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good.
Shame
on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see
that
the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It is basically
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which are in
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen on hard
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be prosperous too
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.
As for Philadelphia,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
The south and the Sunbelt remain dirt poor, with a couple of
exceptions like Raleigh and Charlotte.
Wrong again. You don't read data. The Economist discussed this issue
last month. In the south today, incomes are 92% of the national average.
If you take into account lower costs, they exceed the national average.
And
yes, there are poor regions, rural ones. Poverty today is a rural issue.
There are no poor areas in Raleigh, Charlotte, Greensboro, Winston-
Salem, Fayetteville, Asheville, Greenville, Wilson, Rocky Mount, or
Wilmington?????
You poor, ignornat ranter. Poverty today is concentrated in rural areas.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Again, you just pluck figures that back you point and ignore the more
relevent ones. Per Capita income in the south has grown, but it is
still very low considering the national average, and compared to the
northeast. What do they say about that, George???
What I say is that you are ignorant. Even The Economist wrote an
artricle about this point recently...and you lose again.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Considering the largest private employer in NC is Wal-Mart, I doubt if
that figure will be increasing.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I will grant you Kodak had some mgmt problems, but Rochester, Monroe
County remain much weathier then most counties in the South/Sunbelt.
Post by george conklin
so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
What areas, China??? The wealth of the US remains in the Northeast
and Great Lakes. As I said, out
side of Raleigh and Charlotte, there ain't much in the South/Sunbelt
except poverty and ignorance.
Again you igore the decline of the North. Like Ohio. Like Detroit.
And
you are wrong in terms of your economic data. Check out the Economist on
this subject.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
You know something else George, textiles were big in the South after
they left the higher cost places in the North. What happened then.
They went to even cheaper places in Latin America and the Far East.
So I guess the South has failed, because they lost the only viable
industry they ever had.
So? Add furniture too. But they are being replaced with new industries.
Yepper, a huge high paying industry, that furniture biz.
The largest private employer in NC remains Wal-Mart and we all know
how high paying they are.
The new industries w/the exception of banking in Charlotte, are
generally speaking, high paying for the top echelon, and they employ
very few unskilled people. For the third time, the largest private
employer in NC is Wal-Mart.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you something else, what is going to happen to place like
NC, SC, GA, and FL that depend on low wages and low energy prices as
gas keeps going up and up and up?
They will have the same problems as Detroit and Ohio.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Do you know anything about FL. I spent the last year and a half down
there. 60% on the houses in the biggest counties in the state are for
sale.
Well, enough of your lies. 60% of the houses in FL are NOT for sale and
you know it. Those in forclosure today are most heavily concentrated in
Ohio.- Hide quoted text -
George, if you would care to re-read what I said, it was the largest
URBAN COUNTIES, I will repeat that, the largest URBAN COUNTIES, that
had 60% of the residences for sale.
Of course there is not a 60% rate in the whole state.
Why do you twist things around to fit your wrong headed theories????
FL is number 2 or 3 in forclosures, CA is number 2, something like
that.
Please George, quit twisting figures, and quit just using selective
stats. Look at the whole picture and you will see just how dirt poor
the south remains, urban and rural..
Take care, Randy
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-16 00:39:03 UTC
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Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon
their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be
incapable
of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse
than
most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good.
Shame
on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see
that
the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It is basically
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which are in
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen on hard
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be prosperous too
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.
As for Philadelphia,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
The south and the Sunbelt remain dirt poor, with a couple of
exceptions like Raleigh and Charlotte.
Wrong again. You don't read data. The Economist discussed this issue
last month. In the south today, incomes are 92% of the national average.
If you take into account lower costs, they exceed the national average.
And
yes, there are poor regions, rural ones. Poverty today is a rural issue.
There are no poor areas in Raleigh, Charlotte, Greensboro, Winston-
Salem, Fayetteville, Asheville, Greenville, Wilson, Rocky Mount, or
Wilmington?????
You poor, ignornat ranter. Poverty today is concentrated in rural areas.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Again, you just pluck figures that back you point and ignore the more
relevent ones. Per Capita income in the south has grown, but it is
still very low considering the national average, and compared to the
northeast. What do they say about that, George???
What I say is that you are ignorant. Even The Economist wrote an
artricle about this point recently...and you lose again.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Considering the largest private employer in NC is Wal-Mart, I doubt if
that figure will be increasing.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I will grant you Kodak had some mgmt problems, but Rochester, Monroe
County remain much weathier then most counties in the South/Sunbelt.
Post by george conklin
so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
What areas, China??? The wealth of the US remains in the Northeast
and Great Lakes. As I said, out
side of Raleigh and Charlotte, there ain't much in the South/Sunbelt
except poverty and ignorance.
Again you igore the decline of the North. Like Ohio. Like Detroit.
And
you are wrong in terms of your economic data. Check out the Economist on
this subject.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
You know something else George, textiles were big in the South after
they left the higher cost places in the North. What happened then.
They went to even cheaper places in Latin America and the Far East.
So I guess the South has failed, because they lost the only viable
industry they ever had.
So? Add furniture too. But they are being replaced with new industries.
Yepper, a huge high paying industry, that furniture biz.
The largest private employer in NC remains Wal-Mart and we all know
how high paying they are.
The new industries w/the exception of banking in Charlotte, are
generally speaking, high paying for the top echelon, and they employ
very few unskilled people. For the third time, the largest private
employer in NC is Wal-Mart.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you something else, what is going to happen to place like
NC, SC, GA, and FL that depend on low wages and low energy prices as
gas keeps going up and up and up?
They will have the same problems as Detroit and Ohio.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Do you know anything about FL. I spent the last year and a half down
there. 60% on the houses in the biggest counties in the state are for
sale.
Well, enough of your lies. 60% of the houses in FL are NOT for sale and
you know it. Those in forclosure today are most heavily concentrated in
Ohio.- Hide quoted text -
George, if you would care to re-read what I said, it was the largest
URBAN COUNTIES, I will repeat that, the largest URBAN COUNTIES, that
had 60% of the residences for sale.
Of course there is not a 60% rate in the whole state.
Why do you twist things around to fit your wrong headed theories????
FL is number 2 or 3 in forclosures, CA is number 2, something like
that.
Please George, quit twisting figures, and quit just using selective
stats. Look at the whole picture and you will see just how dirt poor
the south remains, urban and rural..
Take care, Randy- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Why do you get so scared when someone disagrees with you. You have a
long rep of lying yourself and twisting numbers. Now you are denying
there is urban poverty. I have know idea where you have been living,
but there is plenty right in Raleigh, Durham, and Charlotte. Or
maybe what you are saying, like Lake Woebegone, everyone there has
incomes above average. That would be interesting.

Maybe you were not paying attention, but one of the complaints of the
Black community in Durham during the lacrosse team rape case
investigation was that Duke does not do enough for them or the city.

Now please quit telling me things that I have seen with my own eyes,
OK George.

I will check out the Economist when I get a chance.


Take care, Randy
pigsty1953@yahoo.com
2007-05-16 00:52:39 UTC
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Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon
their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right
next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores
holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one
of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their high
prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building today has
a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer economically
viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason that once a
store is built, it must remain in use forever.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Yes, W-M does some good things, but I believe the bad things they
do
out weigh the good.
I will tell you again, W-M does not have to operate the way they
do.
And Conk, you can make all of the sniveling comments you want, as
you
are prone to do. I just wish for once you would provide a
suggestion
for improvement instead of condemnation. You seem to be
incapable
of
anything like that.
Take care, Randy
You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are
the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse
than
most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good.
Shame
on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good?
You
pay them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
George, I wll try this again, you made the statements that Philly is a
failed city,
Yes, because it relied too long on the Pennsylvania RR, the Navy yard,
and Baldwin locomotive, all of which failed due to technology changes.
Upstate NY is failed,
Just look at the population drain from the area and you can see
that
the
area is no longer economically viable. Kodak is tanking and more viable
companies are taking their place.
If Upstate NY and Philly are so failed as you declare, how come the
surrounding areas remain so very, very wealthy. Much wealthier then
any area you would care to annoint as replacing them.
Upstate NY is not wealthy. Who are you trying to fool? It is basically
a worn-out farming area with sad-looking houses, many of which are in
horrible condition. The whole area, urban and rural, has fallen on hard
times. What is surprising is that the rural areas used to be prosperous too
in upstate NY. Buffalo moved to Charlotte.
As for Philadelphia,
Post by ***@yahoo.com
The south and the Sunbelt remain dirt poor, with a couple of
exceptions like Raleigh and Charlotte.
Wrong again. You don't read data. The Economist discussed this issue
last month. In the south today, incomes are 92% of the national average.
If you take into account lower costs, they exceed the national average.
And
yes, there are poor regions, rural ones. Poverty today is a rural issue.
There are no poor areas in Raleigh, Charlotte, Greensboro, Winston-
Salem, Fayetteville, Asheville, Greenville, Wilson, Rocky Mount, or
Wilmington?????
You poor, ignornat ranter. Poverty today is concentrated in rural areas.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Again, you just pluck figures that back you point and ignore the more
relevent ones. Per Capita income in the south has grown, but it is
still very low considering the national average, and compared to the
northeast. What do they say about that, George???
What I say is that you are ignorant. Even The Economist wrote an
artricle about this point recently...and you lose again.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Considering the largest private employer in NC is Wal-Mart, I doubt if
that figure will be increasing.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
I will grant you Kodak had some mgmt problems, but Rochester, Monroe
County remain much weathier then most counties in the South/Sunbelt.
Post by george conklin
so on and so forth. I am not the
Post by ***@yahoo.com
czar of anything, but you make these profound statements, and we
should just accept them?
Other areas have replaced the failing areas. So? Just because Kodak
was good with black and white film does not mean the world should stop
advancing so you can have good urban planning based on old technology and
failed leadership.
What areas, China??? The wealth of the US remains in the Northeast
and Great Lakes. As I said, out
side of Raleigh and Charlotte, there ain't much in the South/Sunbelt
except poverty and ignorance.
Again you igore the decline of the North. Like Ohio. Like Detroit.
And
you are wrong in terms of your economic data. Check out the Economist on
this subject.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
You know something else George, textiles were big in the South after
they left the higher cost places in the North. What happened then.
They went to even cheaper places in Latin America and the Far East.
So I guess the South has failed, because they lost the only viable
industry they ever had.
So? Add furniture too. But they are being replaced with new industries.
Yepper, a huge high paying industry, that furniture biz.
The largest private employer in NC remains Wal-Mart and we all know
how high paying they are.
The new industries w/the exception of banking in Charlotte, are
generally speaking, high paying for the top echelon, and they employ
very few unskilled people. For the third time, the largest private
employer in NC is Wal-Mart.
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you something else, what is going to happen to place like
NC, SC, GA, and FL that depend on low wages and low energy prices as
gas keeps going up and up and up?
They will have the same problems as Detroit and Ohio.
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Do you know anything about FL. I spent the last year and a half down
there. 60% on the houses in the biggest counties in the state are for
sale.
Well, enough of your lies. 60% of the houses in FL are NOT for sale and
you know it. Those in forclosure today are most heavily concentrated in
Ohio.- Hide quoted text -
George, if you would care to re-read what I said, it was the largest
URBAN COUNTIES, I will repeat that, the largest URBAN COUNTIES, that
had 60% of the residences for sale.
Of course there is not a 60% rate in the whole state.
Why do you twist things around to fit your wrong headed theories????
FL is number 2 or 3 in forclosures, CA is number 2, something like
that.
Please George, quit twisting figures, and quit just using selective
stats. Look at the whole picture and you will see just how dirt poor
the south remains, urban and rural..
Take care, Randy- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Why do you get so scared when someone disagrees with you. You have a
long rep of lying yourself and twisting numbers. Now you are denying
there is urban poverty. I have know idea where you have been living,
but there is plenty right in Raleigh, Durham, and Charlotte. Or
maybe what you are saying, like Lake Woebegone, everyone there has
incomes above average. That would be interesting.
Maybe you were not paying attention, but one of the complaints of the
Black community in Durham during the lacrosse team rape case
investigation was that Duke does not do enough for them or the city.
Now please quit telling me things that I have seen with my own eyes,
OK George.
I will check out the Economist when I get a chance.
Take care, Randy- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Umm George, I just went through the Economist website pretty closely,
and the print edition and I could not find the article you cite. When
was it? What was the title?


Take care, Randy
Amy Blankenship
2007-05-15 12:51:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their
high prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building
today has a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer
economically viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason
that once a store is built, it must remain in use forever.
The reason that commercial buildings have a short life expectancy today is
that the depreciation rules encourage this. I can't imagine that any sane
person would advocate for building _any_ kind of building with the plan to
throw it away in 30 years. Buildings aren't socks...an abandoned building
has way more consequences than a pair of last season's argyles you have to
push to the side in the sock drawer. Public policies that encourage
building with the idea that you'll walk away from that building are just
plain wrong.

I find it really odd, George, that you can't find any reason why someone
would want to use a building forever. In Europe, it's amazing that you can
go places that haven't been razed in the wars and see houses where people
have been living for literally centuries and eat in restaurants that have
been some sort of business for hundreds of years. Clearly, they have found
many, many reasons to keep using buildings, chief among them is that
Europeans historically built things to last. They couldn't afford to take
the time to rebuild things all the time, so they used good materials and
good craftsmanship, not 2x4's and sheet rock.

Even here in the States, we do have many buildings that have been in use for
hundreds of years. The house I grew up in is over 100 years old, and the
house my mother grew up in, which was also a business in a downtown area
(and still is to this day, though it is no longer a residence and no longer
in the family), was more like 300 years old. If it is built to last, why
_would_ you walk away from it?

-Amy
Sancho Panza
2007-05-15 16:27:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their
high prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building
today has a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer
economically viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason
that once a store is built, it must remain in use forever.
The reason that commercial buildings have a short life expectancy today is
that the depreciation rules encourage this. I can't imagine that any sane
person would advocate for building _any_ kind of building with the plan to
throw it away in 30 years. Buildings aren't socks...an abandoned building
has way more consequences than a pair of last season's argyles you have to
push to the side in the sock drawer. Public policies that encourage
building with the idea that you'll walk away from that building are just
plain wrong.
I find it really odd, George, that you can't find any reason why someone
would want to use a building forever. In Europe, it's amazing that you
can go places that haven't been razed in the wars and see houses where
people have been living for literally centuries and eat in restaurants
that have been some sort of business for hundreds of years. Clearly, they
have found many, many reasons to keep using buildings, chief among them is
that Europeans historically built things to last.
And, yes, we can say decline and senesence.
RJ
2007-05-16 01:13:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Amy Blankenship
If it is built to last, why
_would_ you walk away from it?
You have to when handicappped access requirements, OSHA rules, wiring
codes, fire codes and hundreds of other regulations make it more
expensive to retrofit the old building than walk away from it.
George Conklin
2007-05-16 12:08:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by RJ
Post by Amy Blankenship
If it is built to last, why
_would_ you walk away from it?
You have to when handicappped access requirements, OSHA rules, wiring
codes, fire codes and hundreds of other regulations make it more
expensive to retrofit the old building than walk away from it.
Sometimes a small store can survive in old, small buildings. But not a
major store.
Pat
2007-05-16 01:52:19 UTC
Permalink
On May 15, 8:51 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to abandon their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their
high prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building
today has a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer
economically viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason
that once a store is built, it must remain in use forever.
The reason that commercial buildings have a short life expectancy today is
that the depreciation rules encourage this. I can't imagine that any sane
person would advocate for building _any_ kind of building with the plan to
throw it away in 30 years. Buildings aren't socks...an abandoned building
has way more consequences than a pair of last season's argyles you have to
push to the side in the sock drawer. Public policies that encourage
building with the idea that you'll walk away from that building are just
plain wrong.
I find it really odd, George, that you can't find any reason why someone
would want to use a building forever. In Europe, it's amazing that you can
go places that haven't been razed in the wars and see houses where people
have been living for literally centuries and eat in restaurants that have
been some sort of business for hundreds of years. Clearly, they have found
many, many reasons to keep using buildings, chief among them is that
Europeans historically built things to last. They couldn't afford to take
the time to rebuild things all the time, so they used good materials and
good craftsmanship, not 2x4's and sheet rock.
Even here in the States, we do have many buildings that have been in use for
hundreds of years. The house I grew up in is over 100 years old, and the
house my mother grew up in, which was also a business in a downtown area
(and still is to this day, though it is no longer a residence and no longer
in the family), was more like 300 years old. If it is built to last, why
_would_ you walk away from it?
-Amy
Depreciation law isn't the reason for obsolecence of buildings but
there are plenty of other reasons.

First off there is, of course, functional obselecence. People wants
and desires change. Cars are a more blatant example than houses, but
no one wants a 30 year old car as their everyday drive. There's no
air bags, no shoulder bents, no CD player, no GPS, etc., etc. The
same thing occurs with buildings -- particularly office buildings.
People want certain things and a certain type of office. If a company
wants prestigious "A" office space, it needs fast ethernet and a good
phone system. There is also the issue of ADA. Certain types of
offices (such as doctors) are required to have full handicapped
accessibility and a perfectly good building with 3 steps up front
might not be acceptable.

There are also issues such as the loss of private offices in favor of
cubbys that make certain floor plans more desireable.

For houses, energy is a BIG concern. People want energy efficiency
and thas cannot always be obtained with old homes. People also want
bigger homes and bigger bedrooms/bathroom/kitchens. People also want
garages that are bigger while older homes might be on small lots that
preclude them.

In the multifamily industry there are also some changes. People
really don't want windows. They want a large wall with not
obstructions for the home entertainment center -- that they bought at
Walmart ;-)

In addition to ADA there are building code issues. Right now we are
looking at picking up a downtown building in upstate NY. However, we
are still analyzing the economics of bring the building up to code and
making it safe. It has no smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, or
fire escapes. Yikes is the word that comes to mind. My estimate is
that it needs $40,000 to $50,000 to provide basic safety in the
building. At some point, it just doesn't make sense to throw that
much money into a building. The alternative is to demo it.

As for depreciation, that's not really a concern. It's not like a
fully depreciated building is worth any more or less than a non-
depreciated building. People exchange in and out of them all of the
time. There is a huge problem, though, when the people can't exchange
for some reason. Then the capital gain is a killer and people will
sit on the building rather than sell it. So if anything, depreciation
causes people to keep buildings, not sell them.
George Conklin
2007-05-16 12:10:21 UTC
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Post by Pat
On May 15, 8:51 am, "Amy Blankenship"
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Let me ask you this, do you think it is right for W-M to
abandon
Post by Pat
Post by Amy Blankenship
Post by george conklin
Post by ***@yahoo.com
Post by ***@yahoo.com
their
smaller, older stores to build Supercenters practically right next
door, or a quarter mile away? In abandoning their smaller older
stores in a lot of cases they leave smaller dependant stores holding
the bag in an older shopping ctr without an anchor. That is one of
the things they do becasue they can, and no one can stop them.
Something else George cannot or will not address.
Sure I can address it. Those old-fashioned small stores with their
high prices and bad service deserve to go away. A commercial building
today has a 30-year life expectancy. Those old stores are no longer
economically viable even if Wal-Mart was not in town. There is NO reason
that once a store is built, it must remain in use forever.
The reason that commercial buildings have a short life expectancy today is
that the depreciation rules encourage this. I can't imagine that any sane
person would advocate for building _any_ kind of building with the plan to
throw it away in 30 years. Buildings aren't socks...an abandoned building
has way more consequences than a pair of last season's argyles you have to
push to the side in the sock drawer. Public policies that encourage
building with the idea that you'll walk away from that building are just
plain wrong.
I find it really odd, George, that you can't find any reason why someone
would want to use a building forever. In Europe, it's amazing that you can
go places that haven't been razed in the wars and see houses where people
have been living for literally centuries and eat in restaurants that have
been some sort of business for hundreds of years. Clearly, they have found
many, many reasons to keep using buildings, chief among them is that
Europeans historically built things to last. They couldn't afford to take
the time to rebuild things all the time, so they used good materials and
good craftsmanship, not 2x4's and sheet rock.
Even here in the States, we do have many buildings that have been in use for
hundreds of years. The house I grew up in is over 100 years old, and the
house my mother grew up in, which was also a business in a downtown area
(and still is to this day, though it is no longer a residence and no longer
in the family), was more like 300 years old. If it is built to last, why
_would_ you walk away from it?
-Amy
Depreciation law isn't the reason for obsolecence of buildings but
there are plenty of other reasons.
First off there is, of course, functional obselecence. People wants
and desires change. Cars are a more blatant example than houses, but
no one wants a 30 year old car as their everyday drive. There's no
air bags, no shoulder bents, no CD player, no GPS, etc., etc. The
same thing occurs with buildings -- particularly office buildings.
People want certain things and a certain type of office. If a company
wants prestigious "A" office space, it needs fast ethernet and a good
phone system. There is also the issue of ADA. Certain types of
offices (such as doctors) are required to have full handicapped
accessibility and a perfectly good building with 3 steps up front
might not be acceptable.
There are also issues such as the loss of private offices in favor of
cubbys that make certain floor plans more desireable.
For houses, energy is a BIG concern. People want energy efficiency
and thas cannot always be obtained with old homes. People also want
bigger homes and bigger bedrooms/bathroom/kitchens. People also want
garages that are bigger while older homes might be on small lots that
preclude them.
In the multifamily industry there are also some changes. People
really don't want windows. They want a large wall with not
obstructions for the home entertainment center -- that they bought at
Walmart ;-)
In addition to ADA there are building code issues. Right now we are
looking at picking up a downtown building in upstate NY. However, we
are still analyzing the economics of bring the building up to code and
making it safe. It has no smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, or
fire escapes. Yikes is the word that comes to mind. My estimate is
that it needs $40,000 to $50,000 to provide basic safety in the
building. At some point, it just doesn't make sense to throw that
much money into a building. The alternative is to demo it.
As for depreciation, that's not really a concern. It's not like a
fully depreciated building is worth any more or less than a non-
depreciated building. People exchange in and out of them all of the
time. There is a huge problem, though, when the people can't exchange
for some reason. Then the capital gain is a killer and people will
sit on the building rather than sell it. So if anything, depreciation
causes people to keep buildings, not sell them.
We don't usually think that it is our job to keep old cars on the road,
just because they were built at some time in the past. Likewise, old
buildings have little charm. Most urban buildings were products of mass
production and are totally uninteresting.
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We don't usually think that it is our job to keep old cars on the road,
just because they were built at some time in the past. Likewise, old
buildings have little charm. Most urban buildings were products of mass
production and are totally uninteresting.
No, but we should not plan to just throw things away, either, just because
they weren't constructed in the last five minutes. What a wasteful
philosophy to build something poorly because you plan to throw it away. You
talk about New Urbanism being expensive, but has anyone done any kind of
studies of the relative costs of building things in a shoddy fashion and
throwing them away vs. building quality in the first place? I would imagine
that the latter, despite its higher up-front cost, is more cost-effective in
the end.

-Amy
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In addition to ADA there are building code issues. Right now we are
looking at picking up a downtown building in upstate NY. However, we
are still analyzing the economics of bring the building up to code and
making it safe. It has no smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, or
fire escapes. Yikes is the word that comes to mind. My estimate is
that it needs $40,000 to $50,000 to provide basic safety in the
building. At some point, it just doesn't make sense to throw that
much money into a building. The alternative is to demo it.
But that's cost to *you* of upgrading the building. What is the overall
cost (across all people/entities who might be financially affected) of
demolishing the building and replacing it or allowing it to remain vacant?
I imagine that it's way higher than $50,000. On that basis, it is probably
in the town's best interest to provide some sort of assistance in making it
feasible for you to revitalize the building. Of course, looking at it
another way, you can't really build even a house these days for $50,000, so
how could it *not* be feasible to bring this building up to code vs. new
construction somewhere else?

-Amy

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You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good? You
pay them.
Well if your using that logic then we might as well
use slaves to lower as prices as much as possible.
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You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good? You
pay them.
Well if your using that logic then we might as well
use slaves to lower as prices as much as possible.
Local stores actually paid their help LESS than Wal-Mart does. But you
define those stores as "good." Pity.
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You start from the assumption that everything is bad and you are the
self-appointed czar of improvement. Wrong. Wal-Mart is no worse than most
other businesses and you assume they are bad, but YOU are good. Shame on
you. You are in favor of high prices. This is supposed to be good? You
pay them.
Well if your using that logic then we might as well
use slaves to lower as prices as much as possible.
Local stores actually paid their help LESS than Wal-Mart does. But you
define those stores as "good." Pity.
Hmm yes I know because Local stores make just as much money as
the fortune 500 WalMart.
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We can't live without Large marketing stores. It would just be to
expensive all-together.
Target, well I Target I can respect because Target in gerenal does not
commpletly take over
the community surrounding it. And it just maybe because of their
snazzy comercials on TV but
When I think of Target compared to Wal Mart Target has alot more class
just in general.
So Target is okay because they are in larger markets, more "chic", and
carry the brands you like.
Walmart is bad because they are in rural areas, carry more of "the
basics", have a lower price, and carry things you don't like. Hmmm.
When you look at the sales, maybe it isn't all about what YOU like.
Maybe YOU are the exception. Well, at least you would be if you lived
in a rural area. But you would like it here. We don't have your
preppy private schools and the other luxuries that you thrive on.
What I find most interesting is your response to "chic"
advertisements
and consumer goods while ignoring other things. About Easter-time NPR
(I think on ATC) had a show on Walmarts move towards green goods and
green stores. You should go look that up. It was very interesting.
The one example that comes to mind was deotorant. It used to come in
boxes. Greedy Walmart didn't want to ship boxes because it cost money
from the weight and size of the cardboard. They could greedily pack
more product in a shipping box if the item wasn't in a box -- plus
they were shipping less weight and therefore saving fuel. That
single, little, inconsequential thing diverted a huge amount of
garbage out of the waste stream while saving energy. Only they had
the power to force the suppiers to change their packaging.
They are now doing more of the same with a commitment to the
environment.
Probably the only way that the environmental movement is going to work
if it is linked to a profit motive. so maybe it's work.
Meanwhile, Target has a cool logo.
Wal Mart is an asset for places of poverty, but Wal mart also keeps
them into living low quality poverty lives
because their wages force them to do their shopping at the low level
store they work at.
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Yes they are breaking the law in forcing people to work off the
clock. My cousin was forced to do that, and I know other people in
the same boat. There are a lot of law suits against W_M for just
that.
They don't put a gun to the assoc. heads, they just make a suggestions
that it would be good for you to work a couple of hours and not get
paid. Do that over a hundred assoc a week and you are talking about a
lot of money.
Pat says he lives in a rural area, and W-M fits right in. You can get
away with a lot of things when people have limited options, and W-M is
notorious for doing just that to rural towns that need W-M more then W-
M needs them.
I am happy you are so supportive of W-M. They are the biggest, most
profitable corporation, in the world. They could do things a lot
differently and not screw assoc, suppliers, towns, counties, and
states. If Sam Walton were still alive none fo this would be
happening. They don't care one bit about any of the above, all they
care about is their profits.
If you think the above is ok, so be it, I do not. Costcois a good
example of a company that treats its assoc very well. I don't see an
I hateCostcowebsite.
Costco! Costco! You crack me up. There's a HUGE difference between
Walmart and Costco.
In the upstate NYarea where I live, counties start at the PA border
and extend roughly 50 miles north. If you started at the extreme
western edge of the state and went east for the first 4 counties
Walmarts = 4
Kmart = 1
BJ's = 1
Sam's Club = 1
Costco = 0
Target = 0
That probably about a 500 m^2 area.
So it really doesn't matter to me how great Costco's or Target's
business practices are when they don't have stores around here, now
does it.
So, you're in favor of doing whatever it takes to expand into as many
markets as possible (particularly yours), regardless of whatever shortcuts
or dirty deals need to take place. Interesting.
George Conklin
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Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in
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Take care, Randy in Atlanta
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses.
All
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able
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as much land as they please.
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It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept
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I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like
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The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart
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First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job --
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considering the educational requirements. Second off,
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs --
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery,
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has a gun for this,
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with
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Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical
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I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as
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Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
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have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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Walmart provides two things that "local" stores do not: low prices and
selection. If I need new Fruit of the Looms, I am looking at the same
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WalMarts quality is crap too.
Why can't wal mart just be more like target? Target gets along
fine without getting in trouble with business ethics.
For one thing, the existence of Walmart is a disincentive for Target to
raise prices willy-nilly.
Good point.

Plus Mr. Not-So-Cool has missed a HUGE contradiction in his
arguements. He likes Mom and Pops stores for being ... small and
expensive I guess. So he hates Walmart because he (erroneously)
thinks that it puts them on the endangered species list. But he's
okay with mass-marketers Target for doing the same things. It must be
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That is becuase he pronounces Target "Tar-jeee".
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Plus Mr. Not-So-Cool has missed a HUGE contradiction in his
arguements. He likes Mom and Pops stores for being ... small and
expensive I guess. So he hates Walmart because he (erroneously)
thinks that it puts them on the endangered species list. But he's
okay with mass-marketers Target for doing the same things. It must be
that Target has a cooler logo or something.
Bull Terriers rock.
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On May 3, 5:49 pm, "Mr.Cool [Defender of Cities]"
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Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make
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of
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a
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market,
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it
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the
stores
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are
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be
paid
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more
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then
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
rural
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Georgia,
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
manage
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very
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nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in
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Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up
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rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses.
All
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is
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substitute
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept
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I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like
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mroe
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job --
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considering the educational requirements. Second off,
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provide
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs --
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery,
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important to elderly people who often can't drive.
Wal-Mart is
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True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs,
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then
go
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The
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the
town 10
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to
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revenue
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Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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WalMarts quality is crap too.
Why can't wal mart just be more like target? Target gets along
fine without getting in trouble with business ethics.
You're out of your mind. Fruit of the Looms are Fruit of the Looms
are Fruit of the Looms. Probably 50% of what Walmart and Target carry
are EXACTLY the same.

But you've entirely missed the point. Walmart is a rural store and
Target is not. I have 3 Walmarts within 30 miles and they satisfy a
big chuck of what I need/want. I have 1 Target about 50 miles away
and it's slightly more expensive. So why would I want to drive an
extra 20 miles for Target.

Plus, SOME of the things in Target might be of higher quality and
others definitely aren't. They sporting goods/guns department,
automotive, and hardware departments are definately inferior. Their
cooking and housewares are better. But I buy more automotive things
than foo-foo things.
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They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the
stores
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smaller
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because of high land costs, and labor has to be
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more
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then
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$6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with
rural
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Georgia,
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will
manage
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very
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nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in
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Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up
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whole
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rural
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town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses.
All
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while
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being
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able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is
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substitute
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intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept
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I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain
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that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's
businesses
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and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like
we need
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mroe
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of
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those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart
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in
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rural
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areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but
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many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job --
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when
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considering the educational requirements. Second off,
they
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provide
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low cost health insurance and low cost drugs --
something the
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competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery,
something
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more
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important to elderly people who often can't drive.
Wal-Mart is
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inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends
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do
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drive
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and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap
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In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If
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book
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and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs,
you
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then
go
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impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the
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to
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revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you
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under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then
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tear on the roads in the vicinity of Wal-Mart.
So you are saying that local stores support local
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Us as Human beings George should be able to take care of minor
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without calling the help of the government. One dollor thefts
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a theft,
but it can be taken care of without calling for help of
someone who
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has a gun for this,
So George tell me, how does it feel to have everyone against
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Wal-Mart is gloriously successful. Hundreds of millions are
voting
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with
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Wal-Mart is successful in large part because of its unethical
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I guess giving the public lower prices is what you define as
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Most people find lower prices good, not unethical.
You should really brush up on your reading comprehension and reread
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about Wal-Mart's practices. Unfortunately, you seem to completely
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opinion you held before reading it. Poor thing.
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George, will you please quit telling us over and over again how
wonderful W-M is and how we should all quit complaining, please. I
have asked you several times to come clean about how much money W-M
gives to you school. Why don't you come clean about that?
How can you condone their very illeagal prctices of forcing associates
to work off the clock? I notice you never say anything about that.
Just that W-M is so cheap and that people should love them because of
their low prices. Do you honestly belive that people should work for
nothing. or next to nothing.
And don't you dare tell me that is untrue because I can find a lot of
people that I know that have worked for W-M and they all say the same
thing. They were forced to work off the clock..
You also know full well if Sam Walton were still alove and running the
show, this would not be happening.
For once in your life George, show some honesty.
Take care, Randy
I don't work for a school and have no affiliation with Walmart, but as
a resident of a rural area, I can tell you that as far as I am
concerned, Walmart is very benefitial to rural areas.
He asked me if Wal-Mart gives money to my school. Not to my knowledge,
although it might somewhere along the line. GSK does, however, but if
Wal-Mart does, I have not heard about it.
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Walmart provides two things that "local" stores do not: low prices and
selection. If I need new Fruit of the Looms, I am looking at the same
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WalMarts quality is crap too.
Why can't wal mart just be more like target? Target gets along
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because they are smaller, not because they don't sell most of the same
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of
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They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then
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$6
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W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia,
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they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very
nicely
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without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
It may *sound* like hatred but its the facts. Accept it.
I don't see the glory in defending a massive chain corporation
that pays crap for wages, and destroies small town's businesses
and creates every rual area into another suburb. Like we need mroe of
those........
The problem is that that is NOT at all how Wal*Mart operates in rural
areas.
First off, for rural areas they pay okay, not great but okay. For
many who go into dept or store mgt, its a great job -- esp when
considering the educational requirements. Second off, they provide
low cost health insurance and low cost drugs -- something the
competitors don't.
In my town, the local pharmacies provide delivery, something that is more
important to elderly people who often can't drive. Wal-Mart is
inaccessible
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to people who can't drive.
True, but most of us have relatives, neighbors or friends who do drive
and will help out. After all, a $4 prescription is cheap enough even to get
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Finally, they don't destroy the businesses in the town they are in.
In fact, usually they make the businesses better. If you want a book
and WalMarts limited book stock doesn't suit your needs, you then go
to the local bookstore because you're in town anyway. The negative
impact is not on the town where they are, it is on the town 10 to 15
miles away. for the town they are in, usually the sales tax revenue
is a big benefit.
Actually, the costs involved with a Wal-Mart (even if you don't count the
direct subsidies and tax breaks many communities give the Wal-Mart just to
be there) often outweigh the sales tax revenue. For instance, Wal-Mart
will
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normally call the cops for someone caught shoplifting an item that costs
under $1. This means that police costs skyrocket. Then there's wear and
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Have you ever worked with the public, or in retail. Do you know
anything about it? An 18 year old kid is caught stealing a small
item. If you owned a store, would you call the cops and give him a
police record? I am sure that you would be warmly recognized. Most
stores, even the big chains do exactly what I said. Only W-M for the
reasons I said above.

You see George, business, any business has to exist in a community. A
variety of people make up that communinty.
Most of those businesses don't want to piss off people. I am trying
to tell you there are other ways to handle it.


And you never asnwered, how much does NC Central get from W-M? I
know it is substantial.


Take care, Randy in Atlanta
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
town's commercial market
and choking out all of the small town businesses. All while being able
to use up
as much land as they please.
You once again prove that hatred of Wal-Mart is no substitute for
intelligence.
No more than hyperbolic distortion of what people said to reflect emotions
they did not express is...
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This was in another thread and I wanted to comment.
Wal mart does things on the cheap, and they make a lot of demands.
They want virtually free space. Well NYC is a tremendous market, it
is not Mississippi or Georgia where W-M can call the shots.
They are in NJ, but one of the problems is the stores are smaller
because of high land costs, and labor has to be paid more then the $6
or $8 an hour W-M likes.
W-M wants NYC on their terms like they deal with rural Georgia, and
they are not going to get it. I think NYC will manage very nicely
without them There is no shortage of jobs in NYC.
Take care, Randy in Atlanta
I think Wal*Mart is used to being able to gobble up a whole rural
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George,

Please tell us how much W-M gives to your school NC Central so that
you say nice things sbout them. Then why don't you tell us how it is
OK for them to get the grunts to work off the clock, iow slave labor,
to increase the mgrs bonuses.


Do you agree with getting the workers to work off the clock? Oh, but
they are doing those people a favor letting them work for W-M in the
first place.


Take care, Randy in Atlanta
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